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Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty i see you made up your mind and there is no point arguing with ya so i'll stop now.

No, please, don't ever give up arguing a point simply because someone doesn't appear as though they will be swayed. There are always spectators that could hear you and gleen useful information in making up their minds.

I know I'm being a bit of an ass here and taking it too far.... that's just for entertainment.

My real position is this.... For the good of those living in sub standard conditions within the reserve system's own good, the Indian Act should be scraped, the reserve system dismantled and Aborigionals afforded the same benefits as any other cultural group. This will force an end to the ill-concieved idea of allowing a iron aged culture to exist along side the contemporaries (as was the intend to the Crown back in the 1700s). It is only by abolishing the current system that the aborigionals can be made part of mainstream society and only by being part of mainstream society will their suffering end.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

hey where can I find out more about the Indian Act? (I guess I could google but I'm lazy)

to be honest; my views are based on assumptions/oppinion rather than fact

edit: for those who care http://lois.justice.gc.ca/en/I-5/

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Originally posted by superIMPOSED lol....sorry I thought you were Serbian and was trying to take a jab at you

A little OT, but I think that your conceptions of Serbia are grossly misinformed. Socially, before it got bombed, it was more adept than modern day Canada.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard The "First Nations" disgust me.... always reaching out for scraps and taking whatever they can. Seriously.... give up your second rate lives begging the feds to pay for your meager lives and go get yourself something better.

I am with you bro stalin and hitler had the right idea, build big furnances and kill them all.

If i ever meet you and i hope i do when i go back to canada i am going to fucking beat the fuck out of you. You racist ****.

This is a promise.

swilly

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard No, please, don't ever give up arguing a point simply because someone doesn't appear as though they will be swayed. There are always spectators that could hear you and gleen useful information in making up their minds. I know I'm being a bit of an ass here and taking it too far.... that's just for entertainment. My real position is this.... For the good of those living in sub standard conditions within the reserve system's own good, the Indian Act should be scraped, the reserve system dismantled and Aborigionals afforded the same benefits as any other cultural group. This will force an end to the ill-concieved idea of allowing a iron aged culture to exist along side the contemporaries (as was the intend to the Crown back in the 1700s). It is only by abolishing the current system that the aborigionals can be made part of mainstream society and only by being part of mainstream society will their suffering end.

Did you copy and paste this statement from the Neo nazi party guide book? i think i saw it in thier newsletter.

fucking idiot

swilly

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard ^^^ it's crule but effective.... you don't hear anything about Aztec or Inca land claims do you?

You are seriosly stupid i am sorry. Ever here of evo morales( the current indigenous president of boliva) and what he is trying to do for his people.

i am not even going to engage in this subject with you because your ignorance is too much to even bother.

swilly

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Serbia? Where did that come from? Listen up, if the "natives" feel like second rate citizens that's because they are and if they are it's because they have allowed themselves to become so. They need not remain on reservation, they are not forced to live off of assistance, these are choices. If they want to leave the reservation and get a job, earn a better life, become a regular citizen they are allowed to do so. Hell, if they want to remain on the reserve and get a job they can do so too and still receive all the benefits that come along with the Indian Act. Those that do seek a better life and attain it should be proud. Those that do not and believe that the country owes them everything their hearts desire are the ones that disgust me. I really think the government needs to resolve this one and for all. Give the natives their self-govenment on the condition that they get a one time cash allowance per resident and no future assistance from the feds. They'll piss through that in no time (especially considering the wide spread corruption amongst the bands which even the counsel of first nations acknowledges as an epidemic) and burry themselves in debt. With no other options they'll be forced to sell the land and we can be done with this shit once and for all.... with the exception of perhaps the Cree in Quebec who own tons of resources and have embraced western society and the work ethic that comes along with it.

I'm also from B.C., Metis, and I totally agree with this; you sadly see it all the time.
(Not all bands, some are doing quite well)
Only an idiot wouldn't notice the invisible wall of dependance they've unfortunately made quite apparent as soon as you cross that border.
It's a mindset of slavery most have accepted and have trapped generations because of it; instead of using the rope to escape their prison they choose to hang themselves. But this is another discussion totally, I digress...

My question is, where the hell were they BEFORE development plans if the land was that important to them?? I question their choice of timing for demonstrating.
It looks like too much like either a ploy for money or attention (either way stinks); if they wanted to take the moral high-ground and claim they were there first, then they should have been doing this WAY before now...

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lets say my grandma sold land in the 50s for $1000, but its now worth $100,000. wow, this land is worth that much now, i want some of that money, i feel like they screwed me on the land deal way back. lets get all our relatives, all our family. lets get tents, camping gear, trucks, and make sure everyone has a video camera in their hand to document the events. lets go on the land and scatter around, blocking the roads. lets set tires on fire, and dump loads of rocks on the main road leading to it to block it. lets put grandma in a chair, sit her right in front, and put a sign around her head saying this is her land. if anyone trys to get us off, we wont move, and push the cops around that try to.

this is their type of thinking, doesnt seem right. whos to say they wont try this with more land, land people already live on. where will it end? its not right, and they should all be arrested.

if i went up to a cop on the street, pushed him, i would be arrested so fast, so why arnt they?

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Originally posted by swilly I am with you bro stalin and hitler had the right idea, build big furnances and kill them all. If i ever meet you and i hope i do when i go back to canada i am going to fucking beat the fuck out of you. You racist ****. This is a promise. swilly

if you ever had any sympathy for your "cause" you lost it right there. smart move

MH, i have to agree with you. I'm a strong believer in giving a helping hand, but if someone doesnt accept it, then too bad.

don't bite the hand that feeds you

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Originally posted by swilly I am with you bro stalin and hitler had the right idea, build big furnances and kill them all. If i ever meet you and i hope i do when i go back to canada i am going to fucking beat the fuck out of you. You racist ****. This is a promise. swilly

hahahahhahha....easy tough guy, we don't need any scalping goin' on

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Originally posted by zokissima A little OT, but I think that your conceptions of Serbia are grossly misinformed. Socially, before it got bombed, it was more adept than modern day Canada.

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Originally posted by swilly i am not even going to engage in this subject with you because your ignorance is too much to even bother.

LOL

Swilly called someone ignorant...

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