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Originally posted by Aquadyne Vinyl has about another year or 2 left in it. It's time to move beyond the 1970s.

Actually vinyl sales are increasing...not just with EDM but with other genres of music. Vinyl will never die.

I miss the days of going to a club and during the break hearing that crackles and pops...such an awesome sound.

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I've bought vinyl/cds/mp3s, and I like buying vinyl the best. That's it. Does it matter to me if you want to? No.

It should matter to you if I want to buy vinyl or not. Because as the number of people like me continues to grow and eclipses people like you - you will find that production of vinyl will come close to nil. And then you'll be playing Serato, Ableton, CDj's just like the rest of us until whatever new media format comes out.

The days of vinyl are numbered and it's been long overdue.

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Originally posted by Aquadyne Buying and playing vinyl doesn't make you "old school" nor does it make you cool. It simply demonstrates that much like your parents lamenting the demise of a time or item gone by, that you are stuck in the past. Like it was said before, sound is sound, vinyl is not necessarily a "warmer" sound (due to analog) as many would like to claim. It the same sound on different forms of media - anything that you would like to claim otherwise is a minor form of delusion to convince yourself otherwise. Those dinosaurs who are stigmatizing Ableton, CD's and MP3's hurt the evolution of music by insisting that a 95 year old technology is "better" than a 5 year old technology. I still have crates of vinyl at home and have no problems buying and playing vinyl - but lets face it: CD's and Mp3's are not only more portable, cheaper and replaceable (burning a track on a new CD when it cracks or gets scratched) but they are also much more versatile (Final Scratch, Ableton, etc.). Vinyl is a 95 year old technology. Time to embrace the future.

thats true, but wait till someone creates a program that will auto mix tracks and can alter the tracklist depending on the surrounding environment. Then clubs wouldn't even need DJs any more.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Actually vinyl sales are increasing...not just with EDM but with other genres of music. Vinyl will never die. I miss the days of going to a club and during the break hearing that crackles and pops...such an awesome sound.

I'd like to see some statistics on that.

I am predicting that they are increasing in absolute numbers but that is to be expected as a function of growing exposure of EDM as well as growing population. As a % of market share it's definitely shrinking and that is what is important.

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Originally posted by Aquadyne I'd like to see some statistics on that. I am predicting that they are increasing in absolute numbers but that is to be expected as a function of growing exposure of EDM as well as growing population. As a % of market share it's definitely shrinking and that is what is important.

There is no way to track Digital Sales, so companies could easily put up fake numbers.

As previously mentioned on TA i forget who it was on Somatic Sense but the producer said that almost all the labels profit was from Vinyl.

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That is why I would like to see some statistics before accepting as truth someone's claim that vinyl sales are increasing.

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As previously mentioned on TA i forget who it was on Somatic Sense but the producer said that almost all the labels profit was from Vinyl.

When you think about the profit margin from an MP3 track and a vinyl, does that really surprise you?

When you think about the ease through which MP3 tracks and CD's could be duplicated for someone else, does that really surprise you?

A label's profit margins vis-a-vis vinyl/mp3 means absolutely squat about the survivability of either genre in this scenario.


Let me demonstrate a very extreme but nonetheless functioning example.

I can buy 1 track from beatport for $1.49 and disseminate it through the internet resulting in at least 1,000,000+ copies.

Or 1,000,000 people can buy 1,000,000 vinyls of the same track at $7.99 a piece (quite a low price which doesn't even factor in shipping).

Here's the end result: 1,000,000 tracks in people's hands for $1.49
or 1,000,000 tracks in people's hands for $7,990,000.

This is why your example of Somatic Sense is flawed.

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Originally posted by Aquadyne I'd like to see some statistics on that. I am predicting that they are increasing in absolute numbers but that is to be expected as a function of growing exposure of EDM as well as growing population. As a % of market share it's definitely shrinking and that is what is important.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/artic...20/ai_n16025264

http://www.vinylrecords.co.uk/2005/...g-comeback.html

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/12097

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I see that you're still having some problems with the concept of "market share"

http://www.sims.berkeley.edu:8000/r...003/optical.htm

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RECORDINGS ON VINYL The vinyl disc (or LP) is the oldest sound recording medium. According to the statistics of the Syndicat National de l'Edition Phonographique (2001), the stock of vinyl discs since 1984 can be estimated to be more than 4.6 billion units. In recent years, other sound recording formats such as the CD have largely replaced vinyl; the market share of vinyl among all sound recordings represents 0.36%?(13.5 million units annually out of 3.7 billion units worldwide). If we suppose that the average duration of a vinyl disc is only 30 minutes, the annual flow of content on vinyl discs is thus equivalent to 34,290 TB.

ZERO POINT THREE SIX MARKET SHARE.


As for this artcile that you posted: http://www.vinylrecords.co.uk/2005/...g-comeback.html

This article claims an overall rise in sale of vinyl by 87.3 % in one quarter. However, it is a misleading lie. Checking the source at British Phonographic Institute from which the source was quoted there is indeed an 87.3% rise but ONLY IN 7 INCH VINYL TRACK SINGLES, NOT IN THE ENTIRE VINYL INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE.

Furthermore, the jump in sales that is responsible is from
2004 | 154,216

2005 | 288,780

In the same quarter. 288,780 sold 7 INCH VINYL SINGLES on which you base your argument.

Here's the change in digital downloads for the same quarter

Digital Singles / Single Track Downloads


2004 | 659,377

2005 | 5,562,638

% Change | 743.6%

MARKET SHARE.

Finally, here are the 20 top selling vinyl 7 inch singles from BPI themselves:

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The Vinyl Top 20; 12 months ending March 31 2005 1 The Number Of The Beast - Iron Maiden (EMI Records) 2 Killamangiro - Babyshambles (Rough Trade) 3 Can’t Stand Me Now - The Libertines (Rough Trade) 4 Oh My God - Kaiser Chiefs (B Unique) 5 Matinee - Franz Ferdinand (Domino Recordings) 6 Wonderful - Brian Wilson (Atlantic Records) 7 An Honest Mistake - The Bravery (Polydor) 8 What Became Of The Likely Lads - The Libertines (Rough Trade) 9 Boulevard Of Broken Dreams - Green Day (Warner Bros) 10 American Idiot - Green Day (Warner Bros) 11 For Lovers - Wolfman ft Pete Doherty (Rough Trade) 12 The Bottle - Paul Weller (V2 Music) 13 Jolene: Live Under Blackpool Lights - White Stripes (XL Recordings) 14 5 Colours In Her Hair - McFly (Universal Island) 15 You’ll Come Round - Status Quo (UMTV) 16 Hounds Of Love - Futureheads (Warner Bros) 17 So Here We Are/Positive Tension - Bloc Party (Wichita Recordings) 18 Black and White Town - Doves (EMI Records) 19 Michael - Franz Ferdinand (Domino Recordings) 20 Irish Blood, English Heart - Morrissey (Sanctuary)

Please point out a single EDM track to me. The fact that vinyl is experiencing a minor resurgence still means nothing to DJ's as hardly any of it is translating to DJ's escalating their purchase of vinyl.

haha what?! did Iron Maiden really top the list?! Thats fucked up.

And theres nothing wrong w/ prefering something that isn't technologically superior.

When I go to the amusement park I always love the oldest rollercoasters best. Sure they dont' go as fast, go upside down or whatever, but I find it more fun to feel some of the bumps in the track, and I love that clank clank clank as you go up the ramp. Its more fun when you don't feel as tucked in like you do on the newer ones. I hope they keep building wooden rollercoasters in the future even though the technology has been upgraded. I feel the same way about vinyls.

FLAC FTW!!

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Can't beat the plastic. Mp3 shouldn't even be an option.

+1 .. vinyl beats it all. nostalgic crackles and pops, the best sound quality possible (pure sinusoidal paths/contours can never be beaten by approximated sinusoidals like 320 kbps) ... and the way of usage is far better than cdj's, imo ... though ableton adds a new window to mixing too

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Originally posted by Aquadyne Finally, here are the 20 top selling vinyl 7 inch singles from BPI themselves: Please point out a single EDM track to me. The fact that vinyl is experiencing a minor resurgence still means nothing to DJ's as hardly any of it is translating to DJ's escalating their purchase of vinyl.

How many 7" EDM singles are there

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