Debateable. It is also debateable that the roots of trance music started with Psychic TV. Psychic TV were a group of performance artists in the late 70s/Early 80s consisting of some Throbbing Gristle members. Throbbing Gristle was about raw emotion in performance. They couldnt play any instruments, couldnt sing and they all sucked. But they did enough live sex and body mutilation to piss enough people off thus ensuring their place in the annals of Electronic Music history. Their legacy is now known as Industrial Records but I digress.
Psychic TV was a side project with a more ocultish spin. And one of the ideas they played around with was contant repetition to try to induce a trance like state. This wasnt for euphoria or anything. They hated drugs. They hated pretty much everything. The idea was mind control. Coil later did this better in my opinion on Time Machines and the effect is more subtle.
But yea Psychic TV were big into media manipulation and mind control at the time so that was the logical extension of that idea. Later on the influence supposedly filtered on through to the dance music scene. I dont know the reasons, but early pioneers like Goa Gil cite Industrial and post Industrial bands like Cabaret Voltaire amongst their influences. Make of that what you will. You would have to ask Goa Gil himself exactly what it was in Cabaret Voltaire's music that inspired him to make music the way he did. I dont think anyone else would know...
Also given the cheap tools you had to work with in the 80s, alot of them were groovebox type things like the 303 where the only way of creating variations on them was to make more looped patterns. Composition on a 303 is basically just that. Patterns and loops that you make less boring by accenting and sliding some of the notes along with judicious filter cutoff movement.
I get the impression it was an accident that Dance Music spawned trance in this way. I was only a few years old when this was going on, but chronogically speaking, Psychic TV were the first electronic musicians to experiment with the idea of repetition and it had nothing to do with dancing. Genesis P-Orridge hates club music...
Last edited by Derivative on May-27-2006 at 15:01
May-27-2006 14:55
crazedonee
Senior tranceaddict
Registered: May 2005
Location: Jersey
the repetition is so the track does not become monotonous
if you listen to any track a lot of phrases are repeated but they sound different every time different timbre,different key, some filter movement whatever ,if you played the same hook or riff over and over that would be boring and dry
May-29-2006 02:56
PutBoy
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Dec 2004
Location: LA (Landskrona)
quote:
Originally posted by crazedonee
the repetition is so the track does not become monotonous
if you listen to any track a lot of phrases are repeated but they sound different every time different timbre,different key, some filter movement whatever ,if you played the same hook or riff over and over that would be boring and dry
They are the same every time.
The repetition is so the track become monotonous, not the other way around. It's so you can dance and lose yourself in the music. It's not made to listen to, at least not activily.
Registered: Jul 2004
Location: Of Earthzen and the Therethen
quote:
Originally posted by DJSentinel
Don't take everything so seriously, some people don't think electronic music IS music.
Just because you are not a true musician and cannot feel the intense connection to music that others might, doesn't give you the right to make assumptions like this.
As a matter of fact, it does the opposite, and strips you of what little credibility you began with.
May-29-2006 23:57
DJ Shibby
Amphoteric Superbase
Registered: Jul 2004
Location: Of Earthzen and the Therethen
quote:
Originally posted by PutBoy
Great idea. Let's make DJ Tiesto Jesus, and Armin our god ;P
