there both fine as i have both drives avalible on my pc.

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what are you talking about? i'm burning mp3s @4x off of my 5400 rpm USB hdd!! no problems with watching movies or listening to mp3, just thought i would let you know.

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Originally posted by yujie__ if u are getting a new motherboard now, i suggest u get a Epox 8KHA+, Asus A7V-266A or a Abit KR7A. Don't go for Biostar motherboards!!! all of these motherboards has the KT266A chipsit which is the fastest and most stable for the Athlon. They are also more recommended by many hardware sites and recieved many awards. if u wait alittle bit longer, go for new motherboards with the KT333A chipset. Go for name brand DDR2400 or DDR2100 Cas 2 ram, like Corsair, Crucial and Samsung. For a case i would get a Antec SX1240 ATX Full-Tower ATX Case(~$200) or a Lian Li PC61 Black Aluminum Mid-Tower (~$200). these are very spaces and have plenty of power for your perihperals. here is a pix of the Lian Li PC61 Black Aluminum Mid-Tower Antec SX1240 ATX Full-Tower ATX Case: For video card i would get a Geforce4 Ti4400. this the best now and will satisfy your gaming needs for the present and future.

The Antec I saw had an upper front panel access like a door to access the CD/DVD/floppy/harddrive. The bays are removable too. the price was $179 Cdn. /w 300w PSU. Another brand [not sure of name], the front panel access is by a push of a button. The design is similar to Antect minus keylock, price of $159 cdn /w 300w PSU.

Elite is another, which is identical to Antec's design:

http://www.memoryexpress.net/

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Originally posted by u4ea:[soulstar] haha.. I want your job. Server hardware knowledge is necessary in my field I'm planning to take: Network Engineering. Anyways, the rpm is not much of factor since the bottlenecks happen outside the harddrive [ATA133 and IDE architecture]. Unless, you go to 10000 rpm scsi UW160 [theoretical transfer of 160mb/sec] + raid, then you'll fly! Or fibre channel, 400mb/sec!!!

first off rotational speed is definitely a factor and it does improve performance greatly, especially because u get a much higher sustained transfer rate, as well as burst, but hey i'm just an IT manager, what the hell do i know, let me give you an internet address where you can improve your knowledge on hard drives:

www.storagereview.com

read all the reviews then come talk to me...


MizzzzUNO

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Originally posted by mizzuno [B] first off rotational speed is definitely a factor and it does improve performance greatly, especially because u get a much higher sustained transfer rate, as well as burst, but hey i'm just an IT manager, what the hell do i know, let me give you an internet address where you can improve your knowledge on hard drives: www.storagereview.com read all the reviews then come talk to me... MizzzzUNO

Trying to bust my chops?

I only mentioned one external factor affecting the performance in read/write and STR. Like I said, it's marginal not great between 5400 and 7200 from end user perspecctive. Greater rpm speeds does not = performance. It is also dependent on size of cache, number of platters, and seek time.

The difference is the marginal gain from /ATA33/ ATA66 to ATA100/ATA133. The benefits of 1800 extra rpm will marginalized due to [external] factors: CPU, multiple drive configs, scsi or not, file system fragmentation, partitioning, RAM, mobo's chipsets, etc.. And ATA133 is marketing. In IDE reality, ATA66 is the max, theortecially, both mobo's chipset and harddrive can push. Any ATA66+ drives on performance gains is marginal.. Not even the latest ATA133 drives even come close to 66MB/sec..

Anyways, this is not much of an argument since we're not really comparing any particular drives with particular specs.. Generally, it won't that much noticeable in a garden variety of real-world applications to the end user..

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right now im lookin at the antec SX830 and still lookin into motherboards.. right now im thinkin of droppin the DVDRAM since, really, when will i use one in the near future. just a nice convienence i guess, i can always get one later if cds stop cuttin it for me... thanks everyone, keep postin!

-marc

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Originally posted by u4ea:[soulstar] Trying to bust my chops? I only mentioned one external factor affecting the performance in read/write and STR. Like I said, it's marginal not great between 5400 and 7200 from end user perspecctive. Greater rpm speeds does not = performance. It is also dependent on size of cache, number of platters, and seek time. The difference is the marginal gain from /ATA33/ ATA66 to ATA100/ATA133. The benefits of 1800 extra rpm will marginalized due to [external] factors: CPU, multiple drive configs, scsi or not, file system fragmentation, partitioning, RAM, mobo's chipsets, etc.. And ATA133 is marketing. In IDE reality, ATA66 is the max, theortecially, both mobo's chipset and harddrive can push. Any ATA66+ drives on performance gains is marginal.. Not even the latest ATA133 drives even come close to 66MB/sec.. Anyways, this is not much of an argument since we're not really comparing any particular drives with particular specs.. Generally, it won't that much noticeable in a garden variety of real-world applications to the end user..

Ok I think your point would be valid if you were arguing the diff between ata and scsi, in that you may have a point, but to say that there is no difference between ata33 66 or 100 is not accurate, and as for your "real world" applications, every application must access the hard drive at some point, so as to load into memory, which is where programs are excuted. think of it this way, is there a difference between a 5x cd rom and a 40x? I think any reasonably intelligent individual would say yes. Just because an ata doesn't reach 66 MB/sec does not mean that theres no diff between an ata33 and an ata133, in fact the difference is large. So we can conclude that just because an ata133 does not reach 66MB/sec, does not mean that it is not faster, because in effect an ata 66 does not reach anything close to 66 but it is still faster than an ata33. Also just to clarify the issue of rotation speed...if the disk spins faster data can be read faster, hence more throughput.


Bottom Line: Faster Disc Rotation=Greater Throughput

Ps, I hope swamper chimes in on this one...
lol


Mizzzzzzzuno

Mizzuno does have a valid pt. tho

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Originally posted by SmellsExcellent right now im lookin at the antec SX830 and still lookin into motherboards.. right now im thinkin of droppin the DVDRAM since, really, when will i use one in the near future. just a nice convienence i guess, i can always get one later if cds stop cuttin it for me... thanks everyone, keep postin! -marc

I must say I've never seen somebody sooooo excited over buying a 5400rpm harddrive before!!

I'll tell ya secret.. www.anandtech.com has a Hotdeals forum and ForSale forum. This place is one of the best to get great deals. I've seen WD 100GB harddrives that went for $80 US.. Or Geforce 3 Ti200 going for 49 bucks!

You might be overwhelmed by the amount of traffice going through there and the amount of learning needed to do business -- but it'll be worth the savings you get in the end.

what's the list you got so far?

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Originally posted by mizzuno Ok I think your point would be valid if you were arguing the diff between ata and scsi, in that you may have a point, but to say that there is no difference between ata33 66 or 100 is not accurate, and as for your "real world" applications, every application must access the hard drive at some point, so as to load into memory, which is where programs are excuted. think of it this way, is there a difference between a 5x cd rom and a 40x? I think any reasonably intelligent individual would say yes. Just because an ata doesn't reach 66 MB/sec does not mean that theres no diff between an ata33 and an ata133, in fact the difference is large. So we can conclude that just because an ata133 does not reach 66MB/sec, does not mean that it is not faster, because in effect an ata 66 does not reach anything close to 66 but it is still faster than an ata33. Also just to clarify the issue of rotation speed...if the disk spins faster data can be read faster, hence more throughput. Bottom Line: Faster Disc Rotation=Greater Throughput Ps, I hope swamper chimes in on this one... lol Mizzzzzzzuno

I goofed, it should be: ATA33 > ATA66 > ATA100 > ATA133. actual gains ovsr theoretical gains are marginal in testbeds. I wasn't talking about the performance on architecture of the harddrives. The bottom line is theoretical. Tell me how large it is? Usually ATA66/ATA100/ATA133 + 7200rpm + (less 9.0ms) harddrives will make a small difference from 30% to 5% over ATA66 + 5400 rpm + (greater 9.0ms ). The "theoretical" benefits get diluted from other factors. How much does this difference translates to real-world time? A couple of seconds?

I did say it was marginal, not no difference.

And yeah, I was conjecturing about IDE vs SCSI in my initial post. The latest ATA133 is meager approx. of UW80.

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**Bump**

next piece of hardware in question: Raid Card... Ive found a few for about 50 bucks.. are there any advantages to getting a more expensive one with 0+1 and 5 support? Ive never had a RAID array in one of my home computers, so im a bit unsure as to which hardware would be best in my situation. Obviously ill be using Raid 0 and iv found some good 200mb/s+ cards, any other suggestions?

-M

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