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juzfugen
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quote:
Originally posted by pharos
problem/reaction/solution -or- thesis/antithesis/synthesis (the Hegelian Dialectic)

i.e. - we arm them, tell them to do whatever it is that they want and then once they do, we go in and clean everything up.



(the CIA armed and trained Bin Laden and his Mujahideen)




a few other examples:

Iran = Ayatollah Khomeini (after the Shah started pushing to nationalize Iran's oil fields) - Time Magazine's 'Man of the Year' in 1979

Panama = Manuel Noriega (proud graduate of the School of the America's)***

Iraq = Saddam Hussein (40 year CIA asset)


*** Manuel Antonio Noriega goes on the CIA payroll. First recruited by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency in 1959, Noriega becomes an invaluable asset for the CIA when he takes charge of Panama's intelligence service after the 1968 military coup, providing services for U.S. covert operations and facilitating the use of Panama as the center of U.S. intelligence gathering in Latin America. In 1976, CIA Director George Bush pays Noriega $110,000 for his services, even though as early as 1971 U.S. officials agents had evidence that he was deeply involved in drug trafficking. Although the Carter administration suspends payments to Noriega, he returns to the U.S. payroll when President Reagan takes office in 1981. The general is rewarded handsomely for his services in support of Contras forces in Nicaragua during the 1980s, collecting $200,000 from the CIA in 1986 alone.



first Wikipedia is not a relaible source of information....
Second I wasnt questioning OBL being a mujahadeen

The US trained a group of freedom fighters trying to take their country back from USSR. While Bin Laden was no doubt active in recruiting soldiers from muslim countries, his direct involvement with the CIA was minimal at best. So saying he was training by the CIA is false.

As an American I dont see anything wrong with my government procuring assest that help ensure my way of life. In fact I hope thast what they are doing, I'm going to start getting real mad when US politicians start changing policy to appease foreign countries, protect ME,not Katmandu, ensure My way of life is how I want it, not Durka the towelheads.


BTW your tinfoil hat fell off your head, its on the floor next to your foot

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jonSun
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Originally posted by stevieboy32808
I remember back in the 1700's during the Revolutionary War,



Damn, your old.


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pharos
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quote:
Originally posted by juzfugen
first Wikipedia is not a relaible source of information....


really?
http://science.slashdot.org/article...5/12/15/1352207

quote:
Originally posted by juzfugen
Second I wasnt questioning OBL being a mujahadeen,

The US trained a group of freedom fighters trying to take their country back from USSR. While Bin Laden was no doubt active in recruiting soldiers from muslim countries, his direct involvement with the CIA was minimal at best. So saying he was training by the CIA is false.


Okay, so why did he tour several US military bases under the pseudonym of Tim Osman?

quote:
Originally posted by juzfugen
As an American I dont see anything wrong with my government procuring assest that help ensure my way of life. In fact I hope thast what they are doing, I'm going to start getting real mad when US politicians start changing policy to appease foreign countries, protect ME,not Katmandu, ensure My way of life is how I want it, not Durka the towelheads.

BTW your tinfoil hat fell off your head, its on the floor next to your foot


I'm still trying to figure out what you're trying to say there. Could you please clarify your position, perhaps a little more coherently? And while I do enjoy reading half-witted ad hominems from time to time, it would probably bolster your argument if you would drop the racial epithets and just stick to the facts.

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OurManFlint
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quote:
Originally posted by metalgearsolid

Well, you are refering to the strongest nation in the world. It can do what it wants because it has the resources possible for that. And there are no other nations who come close to being the power that the US is.

So might makes right, genius?

This is why people hate Americans, and this is why a lot of Americans hate Americans. You think this attitude will be justified for all time, that America will be the strongest nation to push its weight around?

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metalgearsolid
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quote:
Originally posted by OurManFlint
So might makes right, genius?

This is why people hate Americans, and this is why a lot of Americans hate Americans. You think this attitude will be justified for all time, that America will be the strongest nation to push its weight around?
No, idiot .

Yes, I already know that but whatt can you do

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OurManFlint
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quote:
Originally posted by metalgearsolid
No, idiot .

But didn't you say
"It can do what it wants because it has the resources possible for that."
Clearly, what you said implies justification for Might Makes Right, but you say differently. Please explain...

quote:

Yes, I already know that but whatt can you do
Stop being arrogant?

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metalgearsolid
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quote:
Originally posted by OurManFlint
But didn't you say
"It can do what it wants because it has the resources possible for that."
Clearly, what you said implies justification for Might Makes Right, but you say differently. Please explain...
I said 'it' as in the government is the only entity that decides what is right and as in they have the resources as in a media that mainly reports good things about the government or doesn't focus on the main problem of the US government.

quote:
Stop being arrogant?

I am not being arrogant, you just might not understand what I said.

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stevieboy32808
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Re: break out your tinfoil, but...

quote:
Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Also, we're not talking about ambushing troops, we're talking about prisoner treatment. People who have already been captured, been disarmed and have no ability to fight back. If we start allowing this sort of thing to be permitted, there will be no captives, because, as a terrorist, you'll know your fate if you become one, therefore just quickly end your life/go out shooting, rather than have someone slowly beat it out of you. Obeying the Geneva convention standards isn't just the humane thing to do, it also makes becoming a captive/POW more appealing than death. Getting info from these captives is supposedly the reason that we have them and beat/demean them, so it'd be kind of stupid to make surrendering less desirable than death for a potential captive.

I was more or less focusing on the fighting part and not the aftermath which includes prisoner treatment. Well said by the way and just to clarify I am not for torture and I agree with what you said 100%.
quote:
Originally posted by pharos
No sarcasm necessary. They've (the Rothschild / Rockefeller syndicate) been planning it for a few generations now.

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining super-Capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.

Do I mean conspiracy? Yes, I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning and incredibly evil in intent."

- Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976

.........

"...This regionalization is in keeping with the Tri-Lateral Plan which calls for a gradual convergence of East and West, ultimately leading toward the goal of "one world government'....National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept..."

- Zbigniew Brzezinski

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans..."

- Bill Clinton, USA Today (March 11, 1993) Pg. 2A

I'm not one for conspiracies, but what you said is not far from the truth. You ever heard of PNAC? If not you should look at these links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projec...merican_Century
http://www.newamericancentury.org/

They are more substantial than the quotes you've posted and reveal more specific detail of how certain individuals will go about achieving this so called world domination. I don't think it will ever happen, but it's ashame that some of the people in my very own government are planning this stuff up.

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