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Originally posted by metalgearsolid I am surprised that no one has mentioned about having a gay sibling. Do any of you have a gay sibling? Do any of you really know a homosexual? I disagree with all those who say, "they might be looking for sexual gratification," when in fact they were actually born that way. A person's sexuality does not unable them to be responsible caring parents.

I have a few gay friends and I work with several more. I never meant to insult their character or how they would raise a child. I think some of them would be much better parents then a "straight" couple. However, I think that at times heterosexuals are drawn to sex for reproduction. I don't see that happening with homosexuals.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Yeah, I kinda gotta agree with that. Most of the time people might just be looking for sexual gratification, but I do think there is a "mating to reproduce" instinct as well. I'm not sure if homosexuals have a "mate to reproduce" instinct when they're []Insert Euphemism Here[/].

Ah, well in that case, isn't it strange that the "natural" evolutionary path we've been led down has created PLEASURE when we have sex?

The chemicals in your brain and the systems in your cock need to trick you with pleasurable neuroimpulses?

Well, Mr. Heterosexual, I guess nature is only a word used to describe things that further your own opinions, and lead you into the socially-programmed virus that is your personality.



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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Ah, well in that case, isn't it strange that the "natural" evolutionary path we've been led down has created PLEASURE when we have sex? The chemicals in your brain and the systems in your cock need to trick you with pleasurable neuroimpulses?

I was going to mention this, after NeoPhono posted, but your too quick for me.

There really is no argument for the "Natural" instinct of sex. It's science now, and not so much psychology (We still have a long way to go with understanding emotions, don't get me wrong). The theory (Now fact) of our bodies being an electro-chemical machine, has changed the way we think. A serial killer, when killing can produce the same types of chemicals that a normal would when having sex. Is it the same type of emotion? No, even though the serial killer may "Get off" on that type of stuff, it is certainly not the same emotion a normal person would get when having sex. Chemically speaking, do homosexuals produce the same types of chemicals when having "sex"? Yes. But there the reproductive instinct cannot be in play, because the body knows that you are having sex with the same sex, and there is no possible way for you to reproduce with that person. Even if you imagine yourself having sex with the opposite sex, I doubt such a primitive, basic, and strong instinct can be fooled.

But who knows, in 20 years, we might discover something in the brain that destroys everything we thought was right in the present.

Okay, maybe I'm not being clear.

Desires for sex.

1) Pleasure

2) To have kids.

Some people want to have sex to have kids, and I think even if we didn't know the science behind it, there would still be that instinctual desire to have sex in order to reproduce (besides just for pleasure). Sure that's a non sequitor because there's no way we can possibly know if people who have no idea what sex is biologically have a desire to do it soley for reproductive purposes, but hey, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers I was going to mention this, after NeoPhono posted, but your too quick for me. There really is no argument for the "Natural" instinct of sex. It's science now, and not so much psychology (We still have a long way to go with understanding emotions, don't get me wrong). The theory (Now fact) of our bodies being an electro-chemical machine, has changed the way we think. A serial killer, when killing can produce the same types of chemicals that a normal would when having sex. Is it the same type of emotion? No, even though the serial killer may "Get off" on that type of stuff, it is certainly not the same emotion a normal person would get when having sex. Chemically speaking, do homosexuals produce the same types of chemicals when having "sex"? Yes. But there the reproductive instinct cannot be in play, because the body knows that you are having sex with the same sex, and there is no possible way for you to reproduce with that person. Even if you imagine yourself having sex with the opposite sex, I doubt such a primitive, basic, and strong instinct can be fooled. But who knows, in 20 years, we might discover something in the brain that destroys everything we thought was right in the present.

Ah, yes, I had neglected the serial killers.

So what about masturbation?

If we're going to break this down, let's *really* break it down.

As far as I know, both heterosexual and homosexual peoples masturbate... but wait!

Masturbation doesn't seem to promote any sort of agenda for this strange and imaginary psychological side-effect we are labeling "reproductive instinct", which would lead me to believe that our so-called "reproductive instinct" is one-and-the-same as our chemical urge to fuck, which we've decided we need to be tricked into doing via pleasure in the first place.

So, as long as we're here, is masturbation "unnatural"? Surely you masturbate.

Oh my, the Christian Orthodoxy will be most displeased!

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Okay, maybe I'm not being clear. Desires for sex. 1) Pleasure 2) To have kids. Some people want to have sex to have kids, and I think even if we didn't know the science behind it, there would still be that instinctual desire to have sex in order to reproduce (besides just for pleasure). Sure that's a non sequitor because there's no way we can possibly know if people who have no idea what sex is biologically have a desire to do it soley for reproductive purposes, but hey, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

So, a form of pleasure is masturbation and a fact of that is 90% of all males masturbate the rest lie.

I am going to have to go on a hunch here but I bet most males want to have sex just for pleasure the other one is an accident. But, I bet it is an instinct because if males knew what children do, there will have to be something else for sex other than reproducing.

Damn children ruin a womens figure and once that is gone it won't ever be the same. And many females put their children first before the male that is why males get upset. They won't be having the amount of sex they want, all what they have to do is masturbate.

We can make all the posts about the reasoning behind sex be it reproduction or pleasure, or both. The reality is that we need look only at the design of a Man and a Woman to see what that sex is all about. Wehther they are seeking to produce a child or not all higher life forms engage in female/male sex for reproduction in nature. It is obviously a natural design. Whether one masturbates, is homosexual or is a serial killer none of that will bring about what nature expects, a reproduction of the species unless an egg is fertilzed by a sperm. Heterosexual Reproduction is the base of human llfe no matter what one turns out to be later on in their sexual life, preference, etc.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy I have shared an apartment with one for two years. It's never been an issue. I also have a gay friend from college and my girlfriend has a few gay friends.

Same here, and I like Djing at gay clubs or gay freindly clubs when I get the itch to play housey disco cheese.... besides the occasional gay man buying me a drink, I have fun. Plus gay friendly bars are the place to go when you do not want no one mad dogging you or cock blocking you cause the girl you are with is HOT!! ha ha

I have no issues with them, matter of fact my best bud is gay. Its kind of benificial to have a gay man around, especially since most gay men have no issues telling you to your face that what you are wearing, smelling like and manners can do for improving.
Kind of like my own personal "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid So, a form of pleasure is masturbation and a fact of that is 90% of all males masturbate the rest lie. I am going to have to go on a hunch here but I bet most males want to have sex just for pleasure the other one is an accident. But, I bet it is an instinct because if males knew what children do, there will have to be something else for sex other than reproducing. Damn children ruin a womens figure and once that is gone it won't ever be the same. And many females put their children first before the male that is why males get upset. They won't be having the amount of sex they want, all what they have to do is masturbate.

But you just utilized the same thing nature does to us. Sex is pleasurable but it is supposed to be to make us want to do it. We have visual, sensual, smell stimulis that make it appeal to us. That is however the intention of nature, to make us want to do this thing that feels good. So most males may want sex for pleasure but nature doesn't care if a child is produced that is success.

THe second part of your post is something that happens across most animal species Where the mother devotes extensive care to her young. That is why it would behoove a woman to find a father who would stick around and not be a deadbeat to her and her child. Hence women seek out different qualities in men than men do in women. That whole emotions thing that women love.

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Kind of going off of what NYC said, you have to question why we do things "instinctually." Most of the things we do on the count of instinct have some kind of tangible reward or consequence. I think eating is probably an instinct, and we do that so we satiate hunger. We drink to satiate thirst. Pretty much everything we do because of instinct some how brings about a positive change or at least alleviates a negative state.

Now, you can say that sex is fun and that's why we have it. However, "instinctually" that makes no sense. Sex would then serve no real biological purpose, which I would argue our instincts are there for. However, if you look at sex as an instinctual reaction to reproduce, where pleasure is the reward, then I think it does make sense to call it a reproductive instinct.

Going back to my original assumption, I would even go as far as to say that there are times with this drive to reproduce is a conscious process.

Right, but by the looks of things many women are not good at choosing the right partner.

Anyways, I wouldn't blame the males for leaving, I mean why stay with the child and the women who will ignore you sexually.