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Originally posted by simms327 no, i haven't served, but i see your point. like all arguments, it depends on where you work, and what the arrangment is. The place I worked was crappy. I left after a month, and got a non-service job. the previous post was a vent...

i could tell. It's all good. I've seen it from your point of view too, and I think that restaurants that depend on a tip-out for their kitchen staff are taking a cop-out, and it shouldn't be allowed. Just pay them properly. They work HARD. I don't think I could do it, but that being said, having to smile and serve someone who has just told you that you suck... is pretty hard too.

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Originally posted by Enraptured Actually... you would think so... but the longer I do this, the more I realize that people will tip EXACTLY what they were going to tip, more or less regardless of the service they receive.

maybe you see this often, but honestly, not ONCE have i walked into a restaurant with a pre-determined tip amount.

and in regards to coat check, all they need to do is flash a smile, ask me how my night is going, and be pleasant, and they get a toonie.

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Originally posted by Sasha oh shit. anyone studying economics? there's a VERY good explanation on how tips are beneficial to the Economy.

They reduce the operational costs (overhead) of businesses by allowing them to pay their employees a lower wage. This effectively transfers part of the cost of labor from the business to the consumer, without a corresponding increase in the price of the goods sold.

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Originally posted by simms327 ^^ its crap though, cause you in the coat check do exactly what cosmic_fur says you do. take a coat, and hang it up. whoop de fuckign do i worked in a kitchen in a busy restaurant, and the kitchen got 10% of the total monthly tips (and thats even if the waiters reported it). we worked WAY harder than the prissy short skirt-ed boobs hanging out smiling waitresses and got paid the same. A junior line cook makes the same as waiting staff (At least in BC) next time you are in a restaruant and get good service, think about the people making the food - thats a MUCH tougher job than the waitress. the waitress/waiter just smiles and brings it to you.

ok wow,

I never said that the kitchen staff didn't work as hard or harder, nor did I know that you never got tips (having never worked in one before.) My sister-in-law is a chef so I can understand how hard you guys work. I was basing my reply on what I know.

Now on another note, just to let you know, it was not just taking a coat a hanging it up... I worked my ass off everytime I was behind there. Moving coats around to make more room, and making sure that nothing got lost... Not to say that that never happened as I am sure most of you remember NYE 2005. I would work from 12:30 am - 10:00am (sometimes later) every weekend. Same when I was behind the bar.

As well the people upfront serving and what not have to deal with the customers. Do you know how many times people would yell at me or throw shit at me. Really not fun. So getting tips throughout the night basically made me come back every weekend.

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Originally posted by simms327 ^^ its crap though, cause you in the coat check do exactly what cosmic_fur says you do. take a coat, and hang it up. whoop de fuckign do

correct me if im wrong but dont they also make sure that nobody steals your stuff?

dont you think that somebody who will sit all night long (especially at old boa where party would start at 1 and end 10-11-12-1-2) deserves something little extra?

tipping bartenders and waitress is very simple. you are paying for the service, better tips = better and faster service.

i dont see a problem with tipping at all.

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Originally posted by TJB ok wow, I never said that the kitchen staff didn't work as hard or harder, nor did I know that you never got tips (having never worked in one before.) My sister-in-law is a chef so I can understand how hard you guys work. I was basing my reply on what I know. Now on another note, just to let you know, it was not just taking a coat a hanging it up... I worked my ass off everytime I was behind there. Moving coats around to make more room, and making sure that nothing got lost... Not to say that that never happened as I am sure most of you remember NYE 2005. I would work from 12:30 am - 10:00am (sometimes later) every weekend. Same when I was behind the bar. As well the people upfront serving and what not have to deal with the customers. Do you know how many times people would yell at me or throw shit at me. Really not fun. So getting tips throughout the night basically made me come back every weekend.

I think he was just blowing off steam about the crappy place he worked.

As for the coat check, anyone who has to stand back there while everyone ELSE is out enjoying themselves, DESERVES a tip, IMO. I always tip the coat check.

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Originally posted by Enraptured I think he was just blowing off steam about the crappy place he worked. As for the coat check, anyone who has to stand back there while everyone ELSE is out enjoying themselves, DESERVES a tip, IMO. I always tip the coat check.

It's not that I'm against tipping or anything like that. But how is this an argument? Lots of people have shitty jobs. Lots of people are working when everyone else is having fun. If you don't like your job, get a better one. Why should people feel sorry for people that don't like their jobs?

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Originally posted by Enraptured As for the coat check, anyone who has to stand back there while everyone ELSE is out enjoying themselves, DESERVES a tip, IMO. I always tip the coat check.

do u also tip the bouncers at the doors?

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Originally posted by TO guy Why should people feel sorry for people that don't like their jobs?

TIPs have nothing to do with the sympathy... scroll up and read what i wrote

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Originally posted by Sasha do u also tip the bouncers at the doors?

no, they get nuff cash from greasing, and they also get random blow jobs from girls who like teh muscles and dont want to pay to get in.

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Originally posted by Floorwhore no, they get nuff cash from greasing, and they also get random blow jobs from girls who like teh muscles and dont want to pay to get in.

lol

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Originally posted by Sasha do u also tip the bouncers at the doors? TIPs have nothing to do with the sympathy... scroll up and read what i wrote

I read what you wrote, but I was more reffering to what Enraptured wrote.