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snowboarder45
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Location: U.S.

Gatecrasher Red (aka [eng] full version)
Gatecrasher Discotech (not discotech generation)
Trancemaster 4003
Nu Nrg - Freefall
Vandit The Sessions vol. 3

mostly kinda epic and clubby trance.

Old Post Jul-12-2006 05:33  United States
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Gauss
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Trance:

Artist Profile Series 1 - Solar Serenades - Mixed by Ferry Corsten
Ferry Corsten - Right Of Way
Mirco De Govia - Chronoscale
Nightmusic Volume 1 - Mixed by The Thrillseekers
Passport - Kingdom Of The Netherlands - Mixed by Ferry Corsten
Plastic Angel - Hardwired
Tranceport - Mixed by Paul Oakenfold
Transa - Chronology

Progressive house:

Balance 005 - Mixed by James Holden
Renaissance - James Zabiela 'Utilities' - Mixed by James Zabiela

Techno:

Intecnique - A Continuous Mix by Valentino Kanzyani
The Torture Chamber 2 - Mixed by Umek

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Mix:
Magik 6, ISOS 1 & 3...

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SYSTEM-J
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
It's the same...


You see, here is why you are an idiot. Go back and read the context of my comment. I said that Ima had strong house tones to it as well as trance, and Rapidfire agreed, saying it leans towards dream house. Then you come in and try and say that dream house and dream trance are interchangable. If this were the case, then Ima would not sound like dream house because dream house is apparently dream trance, and so Ima wouldn't sound housey at all, when Rapidfire was fucking agreeing with me that it does.




quote:
Oh man you have serious mental deficits...MOST of the album is based in a 4/4 kick (yes this is four-to-the-floor it is written as 4/4 you know...)even if you like it or not THIS IS TEH FUCKING TRUTH!!!!LOL!!!


4/4 is a time signature, declaring four beats to a bar. Four on the floor is a different thing. If you think Planet of the Shapes or Walk Now are four on the floor, you're deaf. And here's an interesting little test. Remind sounded suspicious to me, so I put it on the decks and killed the treble and mid so all you can hear are the kicks and bassline. Guess what? When it gets noisy, the track shifts from a four on the floor to a break. As for Lush 3.2, it does stick to a four on the floor for the most part, but at least one bar is a rolling kick. Combine that with the other percussion and the track feels more like a break than a steady kick.

And here's some fun with comparisons, since you like to compare Orbital with trance tracks made six years later. Guess who else liked to use similar break/steady beats in 1993. The Prodigy. Just take a listen to tracks like No Good, Speedway or One Love- they use the same hybrid beats. Now what possibly connects them to Orbital, other than they're from the same country and are connected to the same scene? That's right, both acts before and after this era were using conventional breakbeats. That suggests to me that in 93/94 there was a mini trend for this kind of beat which had nothing to do with trance.

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Now...i'm not saying that orbital are trance, that's what i've said in the beginning. They are IDM (although IDM is a broad ghost genre to descrive EVERYTHING that is slightly different from the normal or the mainstream)but they had many trance elements in the beginning of their career even if you like it or even if you don't!!!


Orbital may have become an IDM act, but for their first two albums there wasn't really such a thing as IDM, and Orbital were still linked strongly with the UK scene, particularly on Green. Chime was a warehouse anthem and described by one music magazine as "the moment English techno adopted its own personality" rather than imitating Detroit. You can find stuff that sounds vaguely trance-like on their early albums, but it sounds a lot more like early UK techno/rave that happens to be a bit trancey if you want to make that connection.


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I find my definition of trance just fine. You consider it as "ramble" and horribly written. Fine.Find a better one.


I have plenty. I know perfectly well what trance sounds like as far back as its conception. There is no dictionary definition that will cover all trance, like you're struggling to provide. Like all genres, trance is defined by the sounds of the music labelled within it. The genre of something is determined both by what it sounds like in relation to other music and where this music came from. In Orbital's case, it comes from a UK techno act tied to the rave scene who were expanding into more individual, cinematic work. It may sound a little trancey, but even what you claim as "pure trance" on Brown sounds to me like a particular variation of a general sound on the album: that sound being techno.

Put simply: Lush 3.1 and Halcyon sound like Orbital's techno style made to do melodic, enveloping jobs, rather than Orbital switching genres dramatically over the course of a coherent album. My personal perception of Brown is that it depicts a day/night cycle of a 24 hour rave (the type they were associated with). The nascent sound of Planet of the Shapes giving way to the expansive, open and bright sounds of Lush and Impact, before the album goes dark and finally surfaces at sunrise with Halcyon. Now to convey this change of mood, the sound must change. If it comes close to trance to do so, it doesn't mean the album or track is related to trance.

quote:
Also i'm not a native english speaker and i'm trying to give a definiton.You are probably an english chav with no clue or knowledge of any other language or anything or whatsoever.If you had you would know how difficult it is, especially in this level. Sorry.


Right, so we're resorting to unfounded insults now? For the record, I can speak broken French if I need to, but since English is both the primary language of the Internet and the world, I don't need to learn another language to talk on TA. If you don't speak great English, I don't recommend writing big, technical passages in English.


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teknomonki
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Location: Treehouse Paradiso

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
Oh man you have serious mental deficits...MOST of the album is based in a 4/4 kick (yes this is four-to-the-floor it is written as 4/4 you know...)even if you like it or not THIS IS TEH FUCKING TRUTH!!!!LOL!!!


Four-to-the-floor is a lot more about rhythmic perception than simply another name for the 4/4 time signature


quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
You are probably an english chav with no clue or knowledge of any other language or anything or whatsoever.If you had you would know how difficult it is, especially in this level. Sorry.


So when the battle of words slip against you, the best you can do (rather than admit a gracious defeat) is sling insults that are based on cultural observations that spawned in the UK?

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Sykonee
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Registered: Dec 2004
Location: Vancouver, Canada

(um... Eat Static - Science Of The Gods ranks up there for me)

You can carry on with this mildly entertaining 'debate'.


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Old Post Jul-12-2006 16:01  Canada
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PETRAN
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Location: Volos, Greece

quote:
You see, here is why you are an idiot. Go back and read the context of my comment. I said that Ima had strong house tones to it as well as trance, and Rapidfire agreed, saying it leans towards dream house. Then you come in and try and say that dream house and dream trance are interchangable. If this were the case, then Ima would not sound like dream house because dream house is apparently dream trance, and so Ima wouldn't sound housey at all, when Rapidfire was fucking agreeing with me that it does.



Dream-trance or dream-houe or dream-sound which were the one and the same, was a sound that originated in the mid-90s.It was very classically sounding with lot's of analogue pianos and chords.key-figures were robert miles. A famous tune was the "x-files theme" remixed by dj dado. "Dream-house" is not different from "dream-trance".I don't know if "ima" can be considered as "Dream-hosue" or "Dream-trance" or "porn-trance" or whatever...it has pianos and chords and stuff at times if you want it to be "dream-house" than it's "dream-house" i'm not gonna change your perceptions and make you unhappy.


quote:
4/4 is a time signature, declaring four beats to a bar



Yes it is.

quote:
Four on the floor is a different thing


Oh really, what is it then?


Oh no, please don't tell me. I'm gonna end this madness now!(in a epic style voice)


From wikipedia...


Four to the floor or four-on-the-floor is a type of dance music characterized by a steady, uniformly accented beat in 4/4 time, popularized in 1960s, and disco music of 1970s. It is also known in country music.

Examples of this music type are disco, house, techno, reggaeton, and trance.

This steady beat is usually maintained by the kick drum (bass drum).

When a string instrument makes the rhythm (rhythm guitar, banjo), all four beats of the measure are played by identical downstrokes.

Hmmm let's continue


quote:
If you think Planet of the Shapes or Walk Now are four on the floor, you're deaf


Or maybe you have some really serious cognitive deficits have you thought about that?Did you know that ribena is 5% concentrated and 95% water with purple paint and chemicals?This is surely bad for your neurons and glial cells!!!As i said before the VAST majority of the album is a grounded on 4/4 rhytmh.The ONLY tune that has a clear break-beat pattern is "impact-the earth is burning" which reminds me of the work of juan atkins/model 500(and it's just my opinion).

quote:
And here's an interesting little test. Remind sounded suspicious to me,



LOL so you are in detective business now, a "Sound detective" maybe?lol. So, is it "guilty" because in reallity its a break-beat tune "masked" as a 4/4 (and cheating innocent people)or because it's a 4/4 which is achieved by other ways rather than the conventional?!?FFS...


quote:
And here's some fun with comparisons, since you like to compare Orbital with trance tracks made six years later. Guess who else liked to use similar break/steady beats in 1993. The Prodigy


Yes i know prodigy, i have bought "music for the gilted generation" when it came out in 94, and i have to say that prodigy are irrelevant to orbital.Obviously, prodigy and orbital are the only two big music groups that you are aware of, and as a result you drew similarities only form the fact that they are temporally (in time-early 90s) and spatially(in space-UK) related.From these minimal(or even non-existent) clues you even came to a conclusion, that "it was a mini-trent back then" such a naive individual you are.Prodigy came from the (terribly stupid) uk rave-happy hardcore scene(charly...) where as orbital came from a more ballearic house/techno background."Break-beat" was the "rhythmic heart" of hardcore music and therefore prodigy had heavily relied on breabeat patterns.

To end this thing, the comparisons i did between the "early" sound of orbital and the "late" trance sound were made in a"Semi-jokingly" fashion and weren't meant to be taken too seriously. You grabbed this funny statement and used it in order to make your personal attacks. The fact that they are musically similar(at least to my ears) though says something.What does it say?That they are indeed vertically (and not horizontally related).Tunes like "lush-3.1" and "halcyon+on+on" were "epic house" tunes, the sound that charly may and sasha used to play back in the day. Epic ballearic house was a huge contributor to the developemt of 97' epic trance, in a matter of fact the pianos, the ambient pads and summery nostalgic lead-lines were all representative of the current genre. In this way, orbital weren't directly producing "trance" but a very similar sound(at least in these two tunes)which in turn hugelly contributed to the developemt of "epic-melodic" trance.In a matter of fact,the "epic proggy house" sound was considered by many as another trance sub-genre and probably the genre itself was influenced by early trance.

Lush 3.2 and remind are PURE early PSY-TRANCE tunes.I don't know how or why, but obviously orbital were influenced by the exploding german trance (and european psy-trance in general) scene(s) and therefore produced some tracks themeselves. Inter and intra-genre osmosis or diffusion (use any chemical process)is very common in the ever-changing dynamic co-evolution of genres and sub-genres (not very bad english ee??).It's not strange therefore that orbital have produced some pure trance tracks themeselves.

Planet of the shapes and walk-now are intelligent techno tunes in the vein of another great british group, namely "the black dog".Walk-now though could appear in an early trance compilation.The boundaries between trance and techno were EXTREMELY blurred back then, and some techno tunes that used arpeggiating ascending-descending synth-lines (such as walk-now)could easily appear in a trance-comp.Buy or download an early "trance-master" compilation to see for youself.Monday is clearly a chicago-house tune. The whole album is varied but coherent at the same time.Maybe it has a concept,(maybe the day-night or a light-dark thing or whatever)and it is achieved through this variation.


I insist therefore that "brown album" is the trancier album by orbital and i don't striclty define trance as the "early german techno sub-genre"-(eventhough some of the tunes clearly exhibit these characteristics)but in a broader way, namely the "type of dance music that is based strongly in chord progressions, arpeggiations and strong melodic patterns". You haven't provided me with another better definition though you just "marbled"(your favorite word).


quote:
Right, so we're resorting to unfounded insults now? For the record, I can speak broken French if I need to, but since English is both the primary language of the Internet and the world, I don't need to learn another language to talk on TA. If you don't speak great English, I don't recommend writing big, technical passages in English.



As you can see i can writte some long okish passages with some complicated words, eventhough i'm not an native english speaker. Maybe you have stereotyped me by the only fact that i'm not a "native english" speaker and therefore i'm incapable of developing a grammatically coherent complex argument.A last advice, please, don't stuck in genre definitions, because genre-naming in not objective.It's stupid when you try to make it "objective" when it is not
(and try to use your objective knowledge in order to play the "wise-master"-a very "teenage thing" to do and genre-fighting-an even more teenage activity-and you are regular in "Genre-fighting boards").Oh, and be carefull with your attitude kid, even in the internet.

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Old Post Jul-12-2006 23:51  Norway
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SYSTEM-J
IDKFA.



Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
Dream-trance or dream-houe or dream-sound which were the one and the same, was a sound that originated in the mid-90s.It was very classically sounding with lot's of analogue pianos and chords.key-figures were robert miles. A famous tune was the "x-files theme" remixed by dj dado. "Dream-house" is not different from "dream-trance".I don't know if "ima" can be considered as "Dream-hosue" or "Dream-trance" or "porn-trance" or whatever...it has pianos and chords and stuff at times if you want it to be "dream-house" than it's "dream-house" i'm not gonna change your perceptions and make you unhappy.


The only trouble with this is that dream trance doesn't sound very housey and Ima doesn't sound very classical. Which means you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

quote:
Oh really, what is it then?


There is a difference between a kick drum and a "beat". All 4/4 music has four beats to a bar, and almost all dance music, including breakbeat styles, is in 4/4 time.

quote:
Or maybe you have some really serious cognitive deficits have you thought about that?Did you know that ribena is 5% concentrated and 95% water with purple paint and chemicals?This is surely bad for your neurons and glial cells!!!As i said before the VAST majority of the album is a grounded on 4/4 rhytmh.The ONLY tune that has a clear break-beat pattern is "impact-the earth is burning" which reminds me of the work of juan atkins/model 500(and it's just my opinion).


But it isn't. Any fucking idiot can hear that they are breakbeat tracks on Planet of the Shapes and Walk Now. It's utterly blatant. And on most of the others, as described, the four on the floor is not constant. The rest of the percussion is also structured as a breakbeat. One of the consistent features of almost all trance is that everything- the kick, the snare and the hihats- are regular. There is barely a single track on Brown that has regular snares and hihats.



quote:
LOL so you are in detective business now, a "Sound detective" maybe?lol. So, is it "guilty" because in reallity its a break-beat tune "masked" as a 4/4 (and cheating innocent people)or because it's a 4/4 which is achieved by other ways rather than the conventional?!?FFS...


No you fucktard. The track starts out in four on the floor but it switches to a breakbeat. The trouble is that the track is so noisy that you can't tell for sure through headphones. So I did a conclusive test cutting all but the bass on a good pair of speakers, proving it's a break.


quote:
Yes i know prodigy, i have bought "music for the gilted generation" when it came out in 94, and i have to say that prodigy are irrelevant to orbital.Obviously, prodigy and orbital are the only two big music groups that you are aware of, and as a result you drew similarities only form the fact that they are temporally (in time-early 90s) and spatially(in space-UK) related.From these minimal(or even non-existent) clues you even came to a conclusion, that "it was a mini-trent back then" such a naive individual you are.Prodigy came from the (terribly stupid) uk rave-happy hardcore scene(charly...) where as orbital came from a more ballearic house/techno background."Break-beat" was the "rhythmic heart" of hardcore music and therefore prodigy had heavily relied on breabeat patterns.


Orbital came from the acid house raves around the London M25. They are fucking named after the ring-road parties. Balaeric background my arse.

quote:
Tunes like "lush-3.1" and "halcyon+on+on" were "epic house" tunes


Of course.

quote:
Lush 3.2 and remind are PURE early PSY-TRANCE tunes.I don't know how or why, but obviously orbital were influenced by the exploding german trance (and european psy-trance in general) scene(s) and therefore produced some tracks themeselves.


Actually Remind is based on Orbital's remix of a Meat Beat Manifesto track, as cited in the album notes. MBM are a UK breaks act from the early 90s, who influenced (amongst others) The Prodigy. See how my sources actually tie together?


quote:
I insist therefore that "brown album" is the trancier album by orbital and i don't striclty define trance as the "early german techno sub-genre"-(eventhough some of the tunes clearly exhibit these characteristics)but in a broader way, namely the "type of dance music that is based strongly in chord progressions, arpeggiations and strong melodic patterns". You haven't provided me with another better definition though you just "marbled"(your favorite word).


I called them what they were - a UK techno act. And the word is "rambled" you dolt. Even if English is a second language, I'd have thought you capable of copying a word on this page correctly.

quote:
As you can see i can writte some long okish passages with some complicated words, eventhough i'm not an native english speaker. Maybe you have stereotyped me by the only fact that i'm not a "native english" speaker and therefore i'm incapable of developing a grammatically coherent complex argument.


I'm not stereotyping you. Your shit is awful to read, even when you're trying. Usually you make epic rambles resorting to a smothering of ellipses. It looks like your entire posts are garbled stream-of-consciousness babbling, which isn't hard to believe. I know people who speak English as a third language, and they can speak it fluently and use correct grammar. If you're coming onto an English language forum to argue with English-speakers, you should make sure you can write coherently, because it's a pain to comprehend your posts.

quote:
Oh, and be carefull with your attitude kid, even in the internet.


Arf. You're an idiot in whatever language you speak, so calling age on me isn't going to save you any more than the rest of your irrelevant personal insults did. And yes, I called you an idiot, but that is relevant because I'm having to deal with examples of it.


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PETRAN
Like Antennas To Heaven



Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Volos, Greece

quote:
The only trouble with this is that dream trance doesn't sound very housey and Ima doesn't sound very classical. Which means you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.



Doh!Dream-house and dream-trance should not be taken literally as "house" and "trance" respectively.It's the one and the same. Cope with it. I don't care about "Ima" i was making a joke there. Very bad that your are a "cholleric bastard" "alone in the kitchen" between the shadows and you couldn't get it.




quote:
There is a difference between a kick drum and a "beat". All 4/4 music has four beats to a bar, and almost all dance music, including breakbeat styles, is in 4/4 time.



Four to the floor or four-on-the-floor is a type of dance music characterized by a steady, uniformly accented beat in 4/4 time. That was from wikipedia again.

from wikipedia again...

Trance is a style that employs a 4/4 time signature, complemented by a 4/4 bass drum on its downbeats.


ALL the tunes except impact accomplish just that.But even impact, planet of the shapes and walk-now don't, than the two lushes, remind, halcyon and monday clearly do...(you haven't convinced me about remind)



quote:
It's utterly blatant. And on most of the others, as described, the four on the floor is not constant. The rest of the percussion is also structured as a breakbeat. One of the consistent features of almost all trance is that everything- the kick, the snare and the hihats- are regular. There is barely a single track on Brown that has regular snares and hihats.



So, because the hihats and snares do not perfectly follow the 4/4 kick drum means that the tunes are not based in a straight 4/4 but a break-beat?You are clearly disturbed. WTF mate therefore the VAST MAJORITY OF EDM is based in breaks and not the typical 4/4!


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So I did a conclusive test cutting all but the bass on a good pair of speakers, proving it's a break


You didn't fucking prove anything, a "proof" is available to everyone and i haven't seen a sample proving that. The only thing that you have proved is that you are a funny, young, arrogant asshole!And yes, it is a 4/4 and it is early psy-trance IMO.It definitelly sounds more like early total eclipse rather MBM or even...prodigy...

quote:
Actually Remind is based on Orbital's remix of a Meat Beat Manifesto track, as cited in the album notes. MBM are a UK breaks act from the early 90s, who influenced (amongst others) The Prodigy. See how my sources actually tie together?


So, you relate orbital to prodigy indirectly, through the indirect influence of MBM had on prodigy, where orbital remixed a tune of MBM and therefore orbital must be related to prodigy(where they used breaks) and therefore orbital used breaks and not 4/4s.

LOGIC MY ASS!!!!

And the fact that the tune was remixed doesn't say anything at all, the current tune doesn't sound at all like MBM, probably orbital raped it very badly...


quote:
Orbital came from the acid house raves around the London M25. They are fucking named after the ring-road parties. Balaeric background my arse.



yes they had and the fact that "they came from somewhere" doesn't mean that orbital weren't evolving their sound, receiving ideas from other music genres, such as the big epic prog-house that was originating at that time (leftfield, underworld, charly may).Yes they had and tunes like lush 3.1 and halcyon+on+on are clear examples.That's why orbital have contributed to the development of trance (and prog-house ofcourse) and therefore are indirectly or even directly related to later-day trance and prog.

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SYSTEM-J
IDKFA.



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Location: Manchester

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
Doh!Dream-house and dream-trance should not be taken literally as "house" and "trance" respectively.It's the one and the same. Cope with it. I don't care about "Ima" i was making a joke there. Very bad that your are a "cholleric bastard" "alone in the kitchen" between the shadows and you couldn't get it.


Either that, or your sense of humour is extremely shit, or even you're changing your story because you look an idiot. Whatever the hell your point was here, it's wrong.


quote:
Four to the floor or four-on-the-floor is a type of dance music characterized by a steady, uniformly accented beat in 4/4 time. That was from wikipedia again.

ALL the tunes except impact accomplish just that.But even impact, planet of the shapes and walk-now don't, than the two lushes, remind, halcyon and monday clearly do...(you haven't convinced me about remind)


No they don't. Only three have a kick on every beat, and they are Lush 3.1, Monday and Halcyon. Monday sounds nothing like trance and you've admitted as much.

quote:
So, because the hihats and snares do not perfectly follow the 4/4 kick drum means that the tunes are not based in a straight 4/4 but a break-beat?You are clearly disturbed. WTF mate therefore the VAST MAJORITY OF EDM is based in breaks and not the typical 4/4!


Stop fucking using 4/4 like that. A breaks track is still in 4/4 time. However, that don't make it four on the floor. All the percussion on Brown is set up like a breakbeat, except the kicks on a couple of tracks.


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You didn't fucking prove anything, a "proof" is available to everyone and i haven't seen a sample proving that. The only thing that you have proved is that you are a funny, young, arrogant asshole!And yes, it is a 4/4 and it is early psy-trance IMO.It definitelly sounds more like early total eclipse rather MBM or even...prodigy...


Go do it yourself. Anyone with a pair of decks and the record can do it in about fifteen seconds and prove it. Are you going to deny that it's true because you haven't tested it?

quote:
So, you relate orbital to prodigy indirectly, through the indirect influence of MBM had on prodigy, where orbital remixed a tune of MBM and therefore orbital must be related to prodigy(where they used breaks) and therefore orbital used breaks and not 4/4s.


This isn't about 4/4s (bangs head), this is about what scene and style they relate to. All three of these acts were part of one scene, and that scene wasn't the trance scene.


quote:
yes they had and the fact that "they came from somewhere" doesn't mean that orbital weren't evolving their sound, receiving ideas from other music genres, such as the big epic prog-house that was originating at that time (leftfield, underworld, charly may).Yes they had and tunes like lush 3.1 and halcyon+on+on are clear examples.


Prog house isn't trance. Again it was a different scene and genre. You said Orbital had a Balearic origin, which is a load of shite, so now you've completed reversed what you said and are trying to vaguely link Orbital with the rise of progressive trance:

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That's why orbital have contributed to the development of trance (and prog-house ofcourse) and therefore are indirectly or even directly related to later-day trance and prog.


No. Prog house may have influenced prog trance in the 1990s, but Orbital weren't prog house, were they? If Orbital were influenced by Leftfield, Underworld et al, then Orbital were influenced by prog house, but this doesn't make them part of the prog house scene. Just because you've made an unsubstantiated claim that Orbital were linked to prog house (which has changed from trance, your original claim) doesn't mean that any trance movement had anything to do with Orbital, because by the mid 1990s Orbital were fucking miles from prog house and their only possible connection to it was by taking things from it earlier, rather than adding to it and affecting trance. And you accuse me of poor logic?

This is a waste of my time. I suppose you'll try and claim all that last point was a joke now and call me a "cholleric bastard" for not swallowing your cack-handed reasoning.


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