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| quote: | | You see, here is why you are an idiot. Go back and read the context of my comment. I said that Ima had strong house tones to it as well as trance, and Rapidfire agreed, saying it leans towards dream house. Then you come in and try and say that dream house and dream trance are interchangable. If this were the case, then Ima would not sound like dream house because dream house is apparently dream trance, and so Ima wouldn't sound housey at all, when Rapidfire was fucking agreeing with me that it does. |
Dream-trance or dream-houe or dream-sound which were the one and the same, was a sound that originated in the mid-90s.It was very classically sounding with lot's of analogue pianos and chords.key-figures were robert miles. A famous tune was the "x-files theme" remixed by dj dado. "Dream-house" is not different from "dream-trance".I don't know if "ima" can be considered as "Dream-hosue" or "Dream-trance" or "porn-trance" or whatever...it has pianos and chords and stuff at times if you want it to be "dream-house" than it's "dream-house" i'm not gonna change your perceptions and make you unhappy.
| quote: | | 4/4 is a time signature, declaring four beats to a bar |
Yes it is.
| quote: | | Four on the floor is a different thing |
Oh really, what is it then?
Oh no, please don't tell me. I'm gonna end this madness now!(in a epic style voice)
From wikipedia...
Four to the floor or four-on-the-floor is a type of dance music characterized by a steady, uniformly accented beat in 4/4 time, popularized in 1960s, and disco music of 1970s. It is also known in country music.
Examples of this music type are disco, house, techno, reggaeton, and trance.
This steady beat is usually maintained by the kick drum (bass drum).
When a string instrument makes the rhythm (rhythm guitar, banjo), all four beats of the measure are played by identical downstrokes.
Hmmm let's continue
| quote: | | If you think Planet of the Shapes or Walk Now are four on the floor, you're deaf |
Or maybe you have some really serious cognitive deficits have you thought about that?Did you know that ribena is 5% concentrated and 95% water with purple paint and chemicals?This is surely bad for your neurons and glial cells!!!As i said before the VAST majority of the album is a grounded on 4/4 rhytmh.The ONLY tune that has a clear break-beat pattern is "impact-the earth is burning" which reminds me of the work of juan atkins/model 500(and it's just my opinion).
| quote: | | And here's an interesting little test. Remind sounded suspicious to me, |
LOL so you are in detective business now, a "Sound detective" maybe?lol. So, is it "guilty" because in reallity its a break-beat tune "masked" as a 4/4 (and cheating innocent people)or because it's a 4/4 which is achieved by other ways rather than the conventional?!?FFS...
| quote: | | And here's some fun with comparisons, since you like to compare Orbital with trance tracks made six years later. Guess who else liked to use similar break/steady beats in 1993. The Prodigy |
Yes i know prodigy, i have bought "music for the gilted generation" when it came out in 94, and i have to say that prodigy are irrelevant to orbital.Obviously, prodigy and orbital are the only two big music groups that you are aware of, and as a result you drew similarities only form the fact that they are temporally (in time-early 90s) and spatially(in space-UK) related.From these minimal(or even non-existent) clues you even came to a conclusion, that "it was a mini-trent back then" such a naive individual you are.Prodigy came from the (terribly stupid) uk rave-happy hardcore scene(charly...) where as orbital came from a more ballearic house/techno background."Break-beat" was the "rhythmic heart" of hardcore music and therefore prodigy had heavily relied on breabeat patterns.
To end this thing, the comparisons i did between the "early" sound of orbital and the "late" trance sound were made in a"Semi-jokingly" fashion and weren't meant to be taken too seriously. You grabbed this funny statement and used it in order to make your personal attacks. The fact that they are musically similar(at least to my ears) though says something.What does it say?That they are indeed vertically (and not horizontally related).Tunes like "lush-3.1" and "halcyon+on+on" were "epic house" tunes, the sound that charly may and sasha used to play back in the day. Epic ballearic house was a huge contributor to the developemt of 97' epic trance, in a matter of fact the pianos, the ambient pads and summery nostalgic lead-lines were all representative of the current genre. In this way, orbital weren't directly producing "trance" but a very similar sound(at least in these two tunes)which in turn hugelly contributed to the developemt of "epic-melodic" trance.In a matter of fact,the "epic proggy house" sound was considered by many as another trance sub-genre and probably the genre itself was influenced by early trance.
Lush 3.2 and remind are PURE early PSY-TRANCE tunes.I don't know how or why, but obviously orbital were influenced by the exploding german trance (and european psy-trance in general) scene(s) and therefore produced some tracks themeselves. Inter and intra-genre osmosis or diffusion (use any chemical process)is very common in the ever-changing dynamic co-evolution of genres and sub-genres (not very bad english ee??).It's not strange therefore that orbital have produced some pure trance tracks themeselves.
Planet of the shapes and walk-now are intelligent techno tunes in the vein of another great british group, namely "the black dog".Walk-now though could appear in an early trance compilation.The boundaries between trance and techno were EXTREMELY blurred back then, and some techno tunes that used arpeggiating ascending-descending synth-lines (such as walk-now)could easily appear in a trance-comp.Buy or download an early "trance-master" compilation to see for youself.Monday is clearly a chicago-house tune. The whole album is varied but coherent at the same time.Maybe it has a concept,(maybe the day-night or a light-dark thing or whatever)and it is achieved through this variation.
I insist therefore that "brown album" is the trancier album by orbital and i don't striclty define trance as the "early german techno sub-genre"-(eventhough some of the tunes clearly exhibit these characteristics)but in a broader way, namely the "type of dance music that is based strongly in chord progressions, arpeggiations and strong melodic patterns". You haven't provided me with another better definition though you just "marbled"(your favorite word).
| quote: | | Right, so we're resorting to unfounded insults now? For the record, I can speak broken French if I need to, but since English is both the primary language of the Internet and the world, I don't need to learn another language to talk on TA. If you don't speak great English, I don't recommend writing big, technical passages in English. |
As you can see i can writte some long okish passages with some complicated words, eventhough i'm not an native english speaker. Maybe you have stereotyped me by the only fact that i'm not a "native english" speaker and therefore i'm incapable of developing a grammatically coherent complex argument.A last advice, please, don't stuck in genre definitions, because genre-naming in not objective.It's stupid when you try to make it "objective" when it is not
(and try to use your objective knowledge in order to play the "wise-master"-a very "teenage thing" to do and genre-fighting-an even more teenage activity-and you are regular in "Genre-fighting boards").Oh, and be carefull with your attitude kid, even in the internet.
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