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| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
stem-cell research is not and never has been illegal. |
Straw man, Shakka. I'm not arguing nor is anyone here arguing that it is.
| quote: | | It is simply not something that your government is going to fund. Shit, with all you lefties whining about our overextended budget deficit while at the same time bitching and complaining about how rich, greedy and powerful corporate America is...yet you would prefer the government to somehow fund the initiative while not placing any burden on the evil rich corporations, even though the private market with all of its competition and innovation can probably do a much better job at it. |
Coupla points here. First, it's a point to consider about our budget deficit on the matter. But then again, if it's a toss-up between corporate welfare to oil companies or to tax cuts for the affluent, or to the gigantic pork barrel spending of this GOP-led Congress which has had more pork spending than any other Congress in history (even with inflation adjustment, correct?) such as that lovely Alaskan highway to nowhere,
vs.
promising scientific research that has endless possibilities to those diseases and ailments already described, well I guess it really is a matter of priorities here, is it not? And how much federal $ are we discussing with the former versus the latter really? Is it even a point of debate with such comparisons?
Second, corporations are going to make the profits on this since there will be no federal funding. Perhaps this is exactly what Bush wants, who knows. But if we are so opposed to such federal funding on research in general, then I think you would have a very difficult time trying to convince researchers to find their own fucking $ instead of fighting for NIH, AHA, and other viable federal grants that has given them so much data and promise already. Personally I see this as no different. I believe there very well can be room for both the Federal and Private sector in this field, just as there is in so many other scientific research fields.
| quote: | | Your government doesn't think it should be in the business of growing babies for spare parts, but hasn't said it is illegal for a private company to neccessarily do so. |
No, our government CONSENTS to fertility clinics growing those babies and then throwing away some 90% of the embryonic cells instead of garnering those cells for promising research. That is the debate here. That is the issue.
| quote: | | Are you sure you're not just looking for one more reason to throw shit at the current administration even though it has done more than any previous administrations to fund this initiative? Fucking stupid. |
Shakka, the issues this Administration gives us to oppose present themselves. We couldn't garner up such issues, especially one like this with such broad bi-partisan support.
| quote: | | It is beyond me how the left can criticize an administration for not doing enough when that very administration has done more for the cause than any prior administrations. |
Shakka, how much exactly did you expect the prior Administration to do on this topic? The discussions in the political circles came about only within the last 6-8 years or so. This shouldn't be beyond you at all; the topic of federal funding is in it's birth stage.
| quote: | This is nothing more than ongoing, unadulterated Bush-bashing for the sake of spreading the hate.
Sure you're not listening to Air 'Merikkka? |
Don't even receive Air America, nor do I listen to it. I do listen to prominent scientists and 2/3 of America, however.
And finally, how do you reconcile Tony Snow's point that I posted earlier? How is it "murder" on the federal level, but it's seemingly okay on the State and private level especially if there's a profit involved somewhere?
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