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Originally posted by Boeing777 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5255966.stm

omg no

i believe Lebanon won't be the same again

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Originally posted by starsearcher I do support the idea however of Hesbollah coming out and actually fight, not hide behind civilians.

Israel has world class weapons and one of the most powereful armies in the world. Lebanon doesn't. Why would they hezboollah fighters go out in the open and fight against a an army waaay more powerful than theirs? The only way to fight back is guerilla warfare, which is exactly what hezbollah is doing.

The world has it confused. a guerilla fighter is not a terrorist. A terrorist is not fighting for something. A guerilla fighter is.
For every action, there's a reaction.

If i have a gun in a restaurant and your outside and i want to kill u, doesnt mean you destroy the entire restaurant. Thats just evil.

Rockets were fired only after the first israeli air strike.

either way, israel has the right to live in safety, so do palestinians, lebanese, syrians, iranians and all the other middle eastern countries whom israel is technically at war with.

this man speaks the truth.

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Originally posted by starsearcher I do support the idea however of Hesbollah coming out and actually fight, not hide behind civilians.

If it is not rubbish what you write it's a jolly lies jump party that you're struggling to convince your own conscience to accept.

Lies upon pack of lies that's what some in hear like to believe and shamelessly defend without the slightest hint of commonsense.

Continue to lose credibility amongst those who thought your cause was fair.

People from all backgrounds have seriously started to question the terror of the Israeli regime. A regime that will blow a filthy reputation on every Jewish who defends it.

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Your poop stinks and you'll rot six feet under one day; so drop the f*cking attitude.

Alot of you young kids fail to see the big picture.
The reason why Hezbolla is created (everyone agrees Hezbolla military power should be dissolved) is because of Israeli offensive for more than 25 years. The main reason why Hezbolla has been arming and training since 2000 (Israel withdrew from most of the lebanese land but not all) is Israeli occupation of Shebaa Farms and up to 10 000 lebanese prisoners in Israel dungeons for more than 20 years (noone knows they even exist anymore).

It's a shame that most of the media and ignorant people think this War began 4 weeks ago. But in fact it has been going on for 25 years and the core issues are not dealt with. Instead israel is pushing its offensive on Lebanon everyday thinking they can weaken Lebanese cause and Lebanese sensible religious/community structure.

So for those claiming that Hezbolla must be irradicated go read some history before you justify your claims.
Lebanese spent more than 6 months on a dialgue table and were very close on fiding a solution for Hezbolla arms, but unfortunately Israel disproportional destruction on Lebanon have set back the country 20 years back that Hezbolla arms issue will be unsolvable.

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Originally posted by ZinG Alot of you young kids fail to see the big picture. The reason why Hezbolla is created (everyone agrees Hezbolla military power should be dissolved) is because of Israeli offensive for more than 25 years. The main reason why Hezbolla has been arming and training since 2000 (Israel withdrew from most of the lebanese land but not all) is Israeli occupation of Shebaa Farms and up to 10 000 lebanese prisoners in Israel dungeons for more than 20 years (noone knows they even exist anymore). It's a shame that most of the media and ignorant people think this War began 4 weeks ago. But in fact it has been going on for 25 years and the core issues are not dealt with. Instead israel is pushing its offensive on Lebanon everyday thinking they can weaken Lebanese cause and Lebanese sensible religious/community structure. So for those claiming that Hezbolla must be irradicated go read some history before you justify your claims. Lebanese spent more than 6 months on a dialgue table and were very close on fiding a solution for Hezbolla arms, but unfortunately Israel disproportional destruction on Lebanon have set back the country 20 years back that Hezbolla arms issue will be unsolvable.

Word bro

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Originally posted by ZinG Alot of you young kids fail to see the big picture. The reason why Hezbolla is created (everyone agrees Hezbolla military power should be dissolved) is because of Israeli offensive for more than 25 years. The main reason why Hezbolla has been arming and training since 2000 (Israel withdrew from most of the lebanese land but not all) is Israeli occupation of Shebaa Farms and up to 10 000 lebanese prisoners in Israel dungeons for more than 20 years (noone knows they even exist anymore). It's a shame that most of the media and ignorant people think this War began 4 weeks ago. But in fact it has been going on for 25 years and the core issues are not dealt with. Instead israel is pushing its offensive on Lebanon everyday thinking they can weaken Lebanese cause and Lebanese sensible religious/community structure. So for those claiming that Hezbolla must be irradicated go read some history before you justify your claims. Lebanese spent more than 6 months on a dialgue table and were very close on fiding a solution for Hezbolla arms, but unfortunately Israel disproportional destruction on Lebanon have set back the country 20 years back that Hezbolla arms issue will be unsolvable.

well said

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Originally posted by starsearcher I actually have just realized that I have a problem with the title of this thread - it's not the Iraeli/Lebanese war...it's the Israeli/Hesbollah war...but that's just me

It's not just you.

The title is wrong.

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Mazen said it...

Personally I am sick of all this shit. Fuckin terror here and there. If this keeps up I am pretty sure the middle east will be nothing but a hole in the ground, and then will see who will blame who.

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Originally posted by starsearcher Ah yes...a member of the British parliament is an expert on Middle East relations no doubt...suddenly everyone's an expert

Let me lol at this please.

LOL.


As soon as anyone argues that Israel is unjustified doing what it's doing, you guys just try to discredit the information instead of presenting a counter-claim.

So does everyone in the PDD that has a star of david in their little location/flag thing. WOW.

If Israel would stop being a poopyface and move back to the line designated in 67 then there'd be peace between Hamas and Israel, if Israel opted to allow an outside NEUTRAL country(ies) to re-structure and secure Lebanon there would be peace between Hizbullah/Israel.

Sadly, there are very few neutral countries willing to step up to the plate, seeing as how israel is in itself a special interest project created by the USA/Britain + Other rich countries at the time, and Lebanon/Palestine have both had their infrastructures infiltrated by outside interests, IE: Iran/Syria... The whole peace thing seems a long way off, especially when you have to countries that border Israel that have no control over themselves (Or very little).

The question is, can ISRAEL control them both? I find it unlikely that they could, Israel is mighty but not mighty enough to catch every single suicide bomber that makes his way across the border. And lets face it, even if Israel manages to destroy Hizbullah or weaken it significantly (which they're having trouble doing) there will be a line-up a mile long of Hizbullah wannabes that will gladly strap explosives to themselves and get on an Israeli subway train/bus/walk into a crowded mall or cafe etc etc.

This problem will only get solved if both sides concede A WHOLE LOT.

Israel would have to be willing to return many of the prisoners it took that STILL HAVE YET TO BE CHARGED WITH ANYTHING.

Hizbullah would have to return the captured soldiers, and agree to be more or less assimilated or fused into the Lebanese military and be CONTROLLED by a sensible government. That way, if Hizbullah attacks again, the WORLD can respond and interject and not just Israel who will no doubt overstay they're welcome by about 15 years and continue to piss everybody off till they, again, want to blow up as many Israelis as possible.

Historically, Mr. Galloway is correct in regards to the events that have unfolded between Israel/Palestine/Lebanon. He is outspoken, which often makes him seem radical, but he isnt, he is just passionate. He (unlike me however) believes that Israel deserves to lose this conflict, I dont believe in anyone winning or losing, I want PEACE which is more or less a win for everyone. PEACE will not just pop up out of no where, IT WILL TAKE A MORE NEUTRAL STANCE BY FOREIGN AND POWERFUL GOVERNMENTS TO END THIS NONSENSE. NEUTRALITY IS THE KEY, NOT SILLY SIDE-TAKING YOU SCRATCH MY BACK ILL SCRATCH YOURS. SYRIA/IRAN/USA/OTHERS WOULD HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER IN ORDER TO MAKE A LONG-LASTING AND STABLE RELATIONSHIP IN THE REGION. Will it happen? I believe it could, the trickiest one to bring on board would be Iran, given they're statements regarding Israel... But I think they could be persuaded none the less, there are members of every government that see REASON, so I'll remain optimistic.

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