Such negativety amonst most people here.
Trance will NEVER die.

I got to agree that through production, one can get gigs and make huge loads of money as a DJ.

I heard that on a single night at say for gatecrasher or trance energy a dj can make around $4000. Is this true ?
What are the rates for normal events on a week-end to week-end basis ?

.....and just to end it off....trance is much more difficult to produce than Rnb / Hip hop which generally has one boring loop running. Take away the vocals and then you have a 8sec loop going on.
Anyone who can produce trance, can produce any genre but not the other way around, cos in trance, theres breakbeats,loops, ryhthm percussion,etc used. So all those thinking otherwise....please kill those ideas off.

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Indeed. Versatility is the key. If you get stuck on producing one genre you won't make a living, especially if you're doing trance since the market is way too crowded as it is.

Not exactly true. Any type of music is only profitable if you can get enough recognition that you call sell your name and your face on a T-Shirt and realistically expect alot of people to buy it. It can be in any style or form but you need to be clever about it and be able to connect it with popular trends or ideas or images and so forth. Madonna is really really good at doing this type of thing. Constant reinvention and image change and she always stays in the public eye.

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Music is only profitable if you become big enough that you become a recognisable brand name until then you will make fuck all. This is just a part of the business side of music. If you have limited advertising time, limited air time and very limited distribution you will make fuck all.

Vibrasphere make fuck all and they are one of the best psytrance artists of all time in my opinion. Both are working full time in the civil service. staticblue said he made about 7 bucks off his first release - I am inclined to believe that as all you get as a measly royalty per sale. No mechanical royalty and no performance royalty.

If you want to make money it will eventually be in live performance. Although when you start out nobody will want to take you onboard for money and you have to play for nothing. If you can pull crowds then you are making business for the pub/club/bar owner and you can command a slice of the profit. If you cant pull crowds then you have to get enough notoriety whereby you can. Otherwise you wont be making any money. Even then you could probably ask alot of the people over in the DJ booth - they all make fuck all anyway.

If you want to make money in music you have to treat it like a business. But seriously, its easy to make enough money to get you by doing a full time job. Hell working an admin job will feed you, cloth you and give you enough spare cash to set aside every month to buy a new music toy.

Seriously, produce music because you want to do it not because you want to make money off it. Its like one of the worst professions to get into with regards to getting paid a fair sum. Also you better come to the realisation that if you want to persue music production you will be doing 2 jobs.

When you are not working full time, you will produce or do a night course or something to further that aspect of your career. Don't even think about trying to subsist of music production in the early days it isnt possible and you wont be good enough to even give your work away for free.

Seriously, take Zild's advice - get a job. You will manage your production time better because you have so little of it. Every hour is precious and you spend each hour more productively. You force yourself to take more frequent breaks by like, going to work. You can afford to pay for new toys which is always nice.

And people will respect you for it. That you will work 17 hours a day to do something you love doing. They will respect you for it.

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I think good music will reward itself, always. Unless you have piss poor luck

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Money is a bonus in my eyes...the reason you got into it because you want to people to appreciate the music you make...of course money helps but i don't feel it is important.

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with 99.9% of the worlds population useing SLSK, Emule, Ares, DC++, or WINMX, its a wonder producers make 1 dollar on thier music, unless your playing live events...money seems to not even be an option.

i think if you want to make moeny in trance, make your own label, and sign a bunch of desperate folks, you will make alot more then most 'good' artists

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Originally posted by staticblue my first experience with a digital label : 50 % of the royalties : 7 dollars

I hope I even get that much off my first digital release. Same here, I get 50% of the royalties. I should be getting paid fairly soon, it won't be much though. I've sold only a handfull. Not even worth cutting a check for that small amount.

It's hard to make a living with any kind of music. You probably won't ever do it with just record sales, even if you are a big name. Most artists or bands make their money from live concerts, and DJing gigs of course. So if you want to make a living off Trance or any other form of EDM, better learn the art of DJing. Go look at Tiesto's tour schedule, it's grueling. He works his ass off! But he knows that's where the money is. I heard he gets paid something like 20-30k even for large clubs.

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Trance will have its comeback for sure. Hip-hop might be strong right now, but i think retro/grunge/rock is going to hit hard soon. Then dance music will come right back! I think trance is going too far into the house genre and I'm not liking it =/

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Originally posted by Derivative Not exactly true. Any type of music is only profitable if you can get enough recognition that you call sell your name and your face on a T-Shirt and realistically expect alot of people to buy it. It can be in any style or form but you need to be clever about it and be able to connect it with popular trends or ideas or images and so forth. Madonna is really really good at doing this type of thing. Constant reinvention and image change and she always stays in the public eye.

...and to get recognition you need to have music that sells, which will not be achieved by doing the same thing over and over again.

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Originally posted by Lindo Trance will have its comeback for sure. Hip-hop might be strong right now, but i think retro/grunge/rock is going to hit hard soon. Then dance music will come right back! I think trance is going too far into the house genre and I'm not liking it =/

Don't forget that trance emerged out of house to begin with.