Well, thanks for all the thoughtful replies guys. I've just been bothered recently by some local, and intarweb, DJ's who seem to have this exceptionally narrow view of just exactly what "techno" is. They seem to think that what they listen to/spin is the definition of "techno" and ONLY that definition can encompass exactly what "techno" is.

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Originally posted by basd There's a step or three beyond Mills and Liebing when it comes to hard techno, though.

Yeah there probably is, but i'm not familiar with the really hard or underground hard techno stuff, just people like those guys. I know about techno, but can't say I really like it other than dancing to it at a club or festival. I guess I prefer trance and progressive house as genres to listen to and spin, but lately i've been into Smith & Selway's releases.

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Originally posted by DJ RJT Well, thanks for all the thoughtful replies guys. I've just been bothered recently by some local, and intarweb, DJ's who seem to have this exceptionally narrow view of just exactly what "techno" is. They seem to think that what they listen to/spin is the definition of "techno" and ONLY that definition can encompass exactly what "techno" is.

The Belleville Three originally said that techno is any electronic music that is forward thinking. While that certainly can't be said about everything that gets labeled techno that is released these days, it also means that techno cannot be so easily confined to common denominators such as loop/tool tracks or "minimal". Thus, techno can sound like this, just as much as it can sound like this, or this. That's a good thing to keep in mind when people are so hellbent on pigeonholing things these days.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Slow or fast (depending on the type) mechanical sounding music that tends to be rhythmic. It doesn't rely on melody as much as trance does, and it is more about the technology and the beat. Theres hard techno, which tends to be the fastest, such as Chris Liebing or Jeff Mills. There is minimal, ambient and "intelligent" techno (aka IDM), which tends to be the slowest, such as Richie Hawtin/Plastikman, Robert Hood, Aphex Twin, Oval, Pan Sonic, Autechre, or FSOL during their "Lifeforms" stage and some of Carl Craig's and Josh Wink's stuff. Then there's Detroit techno, which seems to be not as fast as hard techno, nor as slow as minimal/ambient/IDM. Seems to be the most melodic of the techno forms. Such guys as Derrick May, Juan Atkins, Stacey Pullen, Carl Craig and Kevin Saunderson. Then there's the european and funky stuff, like stuff Carl Cox plays. This is a fusion of tech-house and acid house, hard and tech-trance, progressive and tribal house and hard and detroit techno. I guess there's influences all over with european techno, and not all of them are from europe, but are inspired by it (UK, Belgium, Swedish, German). I guess some example would be Smith & Selway, Funk D'Void, Joey Beltram, Michel De Hey, Oxia, Ian Void, Chris Anderson, Filterheadz, as well as innovators like Oliver Lieb and Svan Vath etc, who have influenced both european techno and trance. Haha this is my best way to describe techno...hope I got it right.

shit I'm confused now... I have always thought of techno as a genre faster than house in terms of bpm, with lots of percussion in it, sort of Liebing style.

Now I have a question, how can you tell the difference between minimal/tech house and minimal techno?, other day in another forum some john doe was trying to convince me that Digweed plays minimal techno?! I mean it sounded a lot like minimal techy house but to be honest everything these days is being labeled as minimal/tech house so I'm kinda lost here too.

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Originally posted by luisjb82 shit I'm confused now... I have always thought of techno as a genre faster than house in terms of bpm, with lots of percussion in it, sort of Liebing style.

As I've said, techno is a hugely varied genre, and the BPMs are no exception. Equally- give me a BPM for house. House is conventionally regarded as 120BPM, but hard house and prog house are faster, as is some acid house.

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Now I have a question, how can you tell the difference between minimal/tech house and minimal techno?, other day in another forum some john doe was trying to convince me that Digweed plays minimal techno?! I mean it sounded a lot like minimal techy house but to be honest everything these days is being labeled as minimal/tech house so I'm kinda lost here too.

There's fuck all difference really. Minimal house is a bit more funky, but both genres are so musically devoid it's splitting **** hairs.

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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Mauro Picotto.

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Originally posted by movingincircles OMG ******s http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html this shit should end all "please define ______ for me"

Some people like to use multiple sources, and form their own opinion. If that's too much for you, then I'm sorry.

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Originally posted by movingincircles I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Mauro Picotto.

There are so many more good DJ's that are still not mentioned here.. Picotto's decent, that's true, but not essential by any means (at least, not to me).

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Originally posted by basd There are so many more good DJ's that are still not mentioned here.. Picotto's decent, that's true, but not essential by any means (at least, not to me).

I think he's one of the best, DJ-wise. And you can't deny songs like Lizard, Iguana, and Komodo marked an era back in the day. But hey, that's just my two cents.

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Originally posted by woscar99 I think he's one of the best, DJ-wise. And you can't deny songs like Lizard, Iguana, and Komodo marked an era back in the day. But hey, that's just my two cents.

I already said he's a decent DJ

Those singles have got little to do with anything Picotto does as a techno DJ, though. Plus I don't agree on the 'marking an era' part, but again, that's me.

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