if electronic music doesn't cross over into mainstream culture here, don't ever expect to see big parties or festivals in Toronto like you see overseas. not only that but it doesn't help our local talent or scene either.

there's good and bad electronic music, just like there is good and bad rock, hiphop, top40, or whatever else..

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I think most ppl here will generally agree that the advantages of having electronic music go commercial/mainstream far outweigh its disadvantages

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Originally posted by beefy k I'll refine my question and ask: Do you think that one day electronica will be dominated by bullshit like Rap and R&B has or will it predominately continue to be about the music? Will 16 year olds start dressing like djs and and buying decks and never use them?

Arguably, there are enough of the 'old-skool' kids who are claiming that is the case right now, with electronica becomming more commercialized.

Personally, so long as it helps the scene grow, I don't see the harm, it helps us all.

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Originally posted by beefy k Will 16 year olds start dressing like djs and and buying decks and never use them?

How do DJs dress???



also, decks are roughly 1000 bucks a piece, not to mention you still need a mixer and records, I don't see too many 16 year-olds dropping that kind of cash just to imitate PVD.

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Originally posted by Sasha OMG EVERYONE IS AGREEING WITH COSMIC FUR

fucking right! I'm putting this thing in my sig, lol.

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Originally posted by beefy k because i love music. bottom line.

And in the end so do these "kids" that end up going out to these edm events.

I started partying in 1996, the first party I went to was called e-party. SOS and Marty McFly as well as others put on this small party in an warehouse somewhere. The only reason that I even went to this party on a Friday night in October was because all of my friends were going. And holy f*uck am I thnkful I went with them. Before going to this party I had no idea with electronica music really sounded like, after that night I coulnd't get enough. Almost 6 years later not only have gone to some of the greatest parties, experienced some of the greatest times of my life, but I have met some amazing people.

The people that are new to the electronica scene are just going to these big parties, where these well known DJs are playing because their friends are going out or because they have heard the music and have "fallen" in love with it. There is no reason why we should look at this as a bad thing.

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Originally posted by zokissima Arguably, there are enough of the 'old-skool' kids who are claiming that is the case right now, with electronica becomming more commercialized. Personally, so long as it helps the scene grow, I don't see the harm, it helps us all.

dance music in north america, particularly in toronto has become LESS commercialized in the last 5 years.

Nothing beats the 90s as far as commerical dance music is concerned.

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I still love Daft Punk and Prodigy, is that commercial by your books?
In that case, how could you argue against it?

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Strongly, STRONGLY disagree. Eliticism kills the scene, acceptance helps it grow.

Acceptance can also ruin the scene and take it places where the true lovers of the music don't want it to go.

There is also a huge difference between being mainstream music and being commercialized. In europe it is mainstream.......but there is a different appreciation for the music. In North America it is commercialized....a DJ or track will be big for a short period of time and everyone will love it and then the next thing you know....poof....you never hear from that DJ, Band, Singer, whoever again.

I have no problem with new people being introduced to the scene wether it be through friends or through Z103.5.....but listening to Tiesto is no being introduced to the scene nor is it being a part of the scene. I bet at least 50% of the people in Niagara Falls to see Tiesto couldn't name 10 DJs that spin EDM. Its those people that allow this to become a commercial music and ultimately will have the biggest say because they will buy every album and create the popularity for that sound.....other DJs will follow because they see how much money the likes of Tiesto, Armin and PVD make. This has happened with Rock Music, Punk Music and pretty much any form of music that a younger generation is listening too.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced but listening to Tiesto is no being introduced to the scene nor is it being a part of the scene.

I beg to differ. You know what introduced me to the scene? fucking Darude. Possibly the most commercialized track ever.

Just because a newbie is not head over heels over D. Howells right away, doesn't mean they never will. They'll go to one Tiesto party, then maybe another, Tiesto will be spinning alongside someone else, and they'll find out about that DJ, or even they'll go and see an album with a Tiesto song in it, and grab it, and find out about all these other producers.

Tiesto, Armin, they're all stepping stones into the scene. And that is why they're so important regardless of how "cheesy" you find them to be.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur I beg to differ. You know what introduced me to the scene? fucking Darude. Possibly the most commercialized track ever. Just because a newbie is not head over heels over D. Howells right away, doesn't mean they never will. They'll go to one Tiesto party, then maybe another, Tiesto will be spinning alongside someone else, and they'll find out about that DJ, or even they'll go and see an album with a Tiesto song in it, and grab it, and find out about all these other producers. Tiesto, Armin, they're all stepping stones into the scene. And that is why they're so important regardless of how "cheesy" you find them to be.

you are right....for a portion of the people that will take the time and effort to look into other artists/DJs I have no problem with....but the ones who only know the DJs who they hear on the radio unfortunately hold the future for music...these are the ones that create the commercialization of music in North America....these are the people who will ultimately have the say in changing what the money hungry, fame loving DJs will spin. Reality is....it is both the DJs and the listeners that cause this commercialization.

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Originally posted by evil_cookie music is a point of view, just because you don't agree with other peoples perception on music; it doesen't give you the right to lable them wrong. you generalize too much from a narrow perspective

i like lots of genres. its not that.

i went on a tangent for a bit there.

Most people don't even acknowledge most of electronica as music but NOISE. Its the people that really appreciate it that make it grow. not the people that you bring and just put up with it.

fuck it. i don't even know what i'm saying anymore. but keep replying i liket this.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur I beg to differ. You know what introduced me to the scene? fucking Darude. Possibly the most commercialized track ever. Just because a newbie is not head over heels over D. Howells right away, doesn't mean they never will. They'll go to one Tiesto party, then maybe another, Tiesto will be spinning alongside someone else, and they'll find out about that DJ, or even they'll go and see an album with a Tiesto song in it, and grab it, and find out about all these other producers. Tiesto, Armin, they're all stepping stones into the scene. And that is why they're so important regardless of how "cheesy" you find them to be.

Thast how i progressed. But the thing i think that links all of us is our high level of appreciation of music as i mentioned before. That is why i kept learning more about this music. Most people never get goosebumps and feel that slight high when they hear a particular song.

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