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Originally posted by occrider So then there's no reason to blame America with respect to this issue? Frankly I'm confused. On the one side people are saying there is no problem in Europe, and on the other side y'all are saying that the problem is America's fault (with some very strange arguments with damning implications). Why don't I leave you all alone to figure things out .

there is a problem in europe, however if people give a shit, there's plenty of brilliant stores to buy fresh stuff at, or abroad, cheap restaurants serving fresh fish etc.

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Originally posted by Ian there is a problem in europe, however if people give a shit, there's plenty of brilliant stores to buy fresh stuff at, or abroad, cheap restaurants serving fresh fish etc.

Well that would be a very different situation than the one painted by OurManFlint.

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Originally posted by Ian I Never said we weren't. I was brought up on fresh food & produce, with only a few things processed, a lot of kids now eat nothing but junk, i dont know how parents can do it, but then again they do the same themselves. Our neighbours here eat pizza or chinese or burgers each night, burning the boxes each evening in their fire outside. the daughter must have put on 50lbs in the last 3 yrs since she left school at least.

burning the boxes which fucks up our O-zone layer and lowering the air quality around them....nice.

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Originally posted by josh4 Also some people are in denile.

um, that's in egypt which is africa...


And I'm proud not to have eaten anything from Macdonalds in 14 years

Ok, he said...

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Originally posted by Ian there is a problem in europe, however if people give a shit, there's plenty of brilliant stores to buy fresh stuff at, or abroad, cheap restaurants serving fresh fish etc.

And you qouted this and said...

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Originally posted by occrider Well that would be a very different situation than the one painted by OurManFlint.

But before all of this, I said(amongst other things)...

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Originally posted by OurManFlint Americans have the money to eat really healthy foods in abundance, yet are becoming increasingly obese.

I don't see how the situation I painted would be different, other than the fact that the two mentioned demographics are able enough to buy the healthiest food, yet choose not to. They are not forced, they choose not to.

Your claim that Europeans subjected to the same envoirments (that being the availibility of fast-food chains) will react the same way, which would explain the rise in obesity rates. You say that because of this same reaction, America shouldn't be blamed for its obesity rates, because now we can see that two developed demographics react the same way to said enviorments.

The problem with this, and my argument, is that the producer of this enviorment (the availability of fast-food joints) is America. Your argument would only work if fast food-joints were produced elsewhere, and America was the first nation to be subjected to this enviorment.

It is the first nation, and the producer of these eating options. Through the spread of global capitalism, these American companies started opening chains in other parts of the world, subjecting them to this food.

The demand is high. Why? Because it's cheap and fast. Not healthy. Therefore, the demand would be somewhat high, as it has been proven to exist. So, the American produced fast-food chains have opened up in other parts of the world, and after a while, obesity rates have risen in those parts of the world.

American obesity rates have been high in the past few decades, but so has the money raked in by the fast-food corps. So have the obesity rates of the other countries where such fast-food joints are present.

Globalism has had a certain impact on the style of working that is done throughout the world. The American work regime consist of long hours. Thus, after three or four decades of this work regime, plus the availability of quick and cheap food, the American population has increasing obesity. Nations outside of America subjected to these same enviorments are sharing these same attributes. Could it be a product of America. Logically, yes. The fact that it is grounded in America makes it America's fault.

Hehe, I need to change my sig. WC has been over for a while now

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Originally posted by josh4 going on 3 years for all fast food

i still have burgers delivered from a place in my town, but they make the burgers themselves from fresh mince, and you can tell from the lovely taste, u know, real meat

Reminds me of the ribwich on simpsons

"we take ... lbs of meat and process the hell out of it"

There used to be some right fatties in our office. Always on diets, always counting calories.. 'Ooo i've lost half a pound - time to celebrate with a portion of chips..'

the only thing i know about europe is that most people there have bad teeth and they call soccer football, what a bunch of fuckopotamusses.

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Originally posted by placebo the only thing i know about europe is that most people there have bad teeth and they call soccer football, what a bunch of fuckopotamusses.

Wow, I never realised that trolls could sow seeds for arguments in the pro/anti american/europe thing. kudos

WOW, nobody understood my Europe reference on page 1.

Shame on you all.

IT'S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN!!

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Originally posted by Ian Wow, I never realised that trolls could sow seeds for arguments in the pro/anti american/europe thing. kudos

it was a joke dude

edit: and i know everyone hates america.

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Originally posted by Temperate WOW, nobody understood my Europe reference on page 1. Shame on you all. IT'S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN!!

MEGAMAN X

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