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Originally posted by DJ RJT Alright, well as you clearly fail to understand even the most basic grammar (acceptable, considering it's likely English isn't your first language) and/or are simply too dense to understand why this is a poor thread/question in general, we'll just leave it here. Thanks for playing!

Yes -> Not Valid
No --> Not Valid
Yes, Why
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Originally posted by Pinokio Spirit I totally Agree with you I have cried of happiness over 900 times "Without any drugs" and there is no need for drugs to enjoy music. I'm not saying there is a need for drugs to enjoy music. I'm saying that there are drugs that goes better with some music genres. Do You think there is coincidence that X is famous in the EDM Scene, than any other genre of music? I don't think it's coincidence, I thinks drugs are in certain way related to music.

They are related to music because they are often influenced by it but I think drugs are a way people experience other states of consciousness and then create music which helps in this process. But from my experience over the years with this music, the music in and of itself IS the drug. I mean what it comes down to is tribal ritual. Tribal peoples have used drugs since the dawn of human kind with certain herbs and plants that produce hallucionations. What they are trying to do is have an "experience" and this experience is usually spiritual. And the same thing can be experienced without the use of drugs, which is something i'm going to devote a lot of time to once I get my degree in Psychology (transpersonal psychology to be exact) and it deals with altered states and mystical or spiritual experience. Basically drugs are an "easy" way of experiencing these things, but plenty of people over the years have been able to have ecstatic and mystical experiences without the use of drugs. And definitely music and sound is one of these ways...it's a very significant way.

This is also helped along by drumming..rhythms, and because EDM is beat-based music with drums, the idea of using drugs with this kind of music is not just a conicidence, it's kind of like a revival. That's what the whole rave scene was about, but also the psychedelic movement in the 60s, and that music was influenced by drugs as well, and was rhythmic. So it's nothing new, but first and foremost, like I said, is the music which can influence the experience you have.

It's what you make of it really. I guess with me...I have an active imagination and I am able to imagine things with the music and because you have Synaethesia, you can as well. So we really don't need drugs, but someone who might not be as attached to the music or have as active of an imagination...might feel they need it.

And X just messes with chemicals in the brain that really shouldn't be messed with to the levels that X does....this isn't propaganda as some would say..it's pretty much established in the medical community. The seratonin levels are WAY too elevated with that drug, and it destroys neurons (which can never be replaced)...and eventually those seratonin levels will drop and keep dropping till your in a state of depression or a state similar to catanoia (almost emotionless)...it's kind of like being Bi-Polar...and who wants to be that? I mean this is with heavy useage but even with light useage, there have been some tests done with EEGs that have shown damage done with just one pill. Drugs are addicting...it's not rocket science for anyone to figure that out.

Last edited by Spirit5 on Sep-25-2006 at 20:16

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Originally posted by DJ RJT Alright, well as you clearly fail to understand even the most basic grammar (acceptable, considering it's likely English isn't your first language) and/or are simply too dense to understand why this is a poor thread/question in general, we'll just leave it here. Thanks for playing!

why is it a bad thread? the effects drugs have on listening to music is something that has been researched+studied a few times in various universities. i dont think they looked at the issue and said this is stupid, and start preaching about how you shouldn't need drugs to appreciate music (which was never contested in the first place).

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Originally posted by Spirit5 They are related to music because they are often influenced by it but I think drugs are a way people experience other states of consciousness and then create music which helps in this process. But from my experience over the years with this music, the music in and of itself IS the drug. I mean what it comes down to is tribal ritual. Tribal peoples have used drugs since the dawn of human kind with certain herbs and plants that produce hallucionations. What they are trying to do is have an "experience" and this experience is usually spiritual. And the same thing can be experienced without the use of drugs, which is something i'm going to devote a lot of time to once I get my degree in Psychology (transpersonal psychology to be exact) and it deals with altered states and mystical or spiritual experience. Basically drugs are an "easy" way of experiencing these things, but plenty of people over the years have been able to have ecstatic and mystical experiences without the use of drugs. This is also helped along by drumming..rhythms, and because EDM is beat-based music with drums, the idea of using drugs with this kind of music is not just a conicidence, it's kind of like a revival. That's what the whole rave scene was about, but also the psychedelic movement in the 60s, and that music was influenced by drugs as well, and was rhythmic. So it's nothing new, but first and foremost, like I said, is the music which can influence the experience you have. It's what you make of it really. I guess with me...I have an active imagination and I am able to imagine things with the music and because you have Synaethesia, you can as well. So we really don't need drugs, but someone who might not be as attached to the music or have as active of an imagination...might feel they need it. And X just messes with chemicals in the brain that really shouldn't be messed with to the levels that X does....this isn't propaganda as some would say..it's pretty much established in the medical community. The seratonin levels are WAY too elevated with that drug, and it destroys neurons (which can never be replaced)...and eventually those seratonin levels will drop and keep dropping till your in a state of depression or a state similar to catanoia (almost emotionless)...it's kind of like being Bi-Polar...and who wants to be that? I mean this is with heavy useage but drugs are addicting...it's not rocket science for anyone to figure that out.

Thanks
You are very smart
I agree with what you said

This is your brain on X

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I Trance You!

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Originally posted by stevësto why is it a bad thread? the effects drugs have on listening to music is something that has been researched+studied a few times in various universities. i dont think they looked at the issue and said this is stupid, and start preaching about how you shouldn't need drugs to appreciate music (which was never contested in the first place).

I didn't preach for a moment about how you shouldn't need drugs. By all means, need drugs as much as you'd like.

And I'd hardly place this thread in the same category as any university study remotely having to do with psychoactive chemicals and their relationship to music.

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Originally posted by Pinokio Thanks You are very smart I agree with what you said This is your brain on X

Yeah no problem..thank you. I don't judge those who do drugs or have anything against them, but I do hope to help those people who feel they need them, to show them that there are ways to experience these states by opening themselves up and also exploring their inner world. Essentially, people coming together for a common purpose in a group setting, as well as individual reflection, is a great way to have what could be called a "peak" experience. This is what people seem to be trying to achieve with drugs...people want to feel like they are connected with reality by being disconnected from it, a type of paradox that does make sense if you think about it. Drugs are an escape. To escape reality, is often times to face reality. That's what happens a lot in various religious practices like meditation and prayer or contemplation...the experiencing of divine or a spiritual reality in order for one to come to a realization about themselves in physical, human reality.

Think about it...it's not really "new age" stuff, it's a common thing in many religions all over the world. Sometimes I may talk like i'm into new age stuff, but I really can't stand that kind of stuff. I like the ideas from a guy named Ken Wilber, and he's been lumped in many times with "new age" gurus out there, but this guy is a brilliant philosopher and theorist. I also am really into the thinking of Kant, Descartes, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Carl Jung and Abe Maslow. I'm still exploring some of them though....

I think this thread could be cool and have some good ideas if people would just contribute.

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Originally posted by DJ RJT I didn't preach for a moment about how you shouldn't need drugs. By all means, need drugs as much as you'd like. And I'd hardly place this thread in the same category as any university study remotely having to do with psychoactive chemicals and their relationship to music.

thats nice. can you answer my original question?

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because its subjective what drugs to use with what genres. it's pretty retarted to try and pair a certain drug to a certain genre.

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Originally posted by stevësto thats nice. can you answer my original question?

To try to explain away personal, subjective, sensory experiences in such broad terms based on a small microcosm of the music industry seems a bit ridiculous to me. Add to that, the superficial manner in which this is being discussed is all really rather boring, and has been done to death on these forums before.

Someone like good old Pinokio comes along every few weeks having just spent a "lot of time thinking" about drugs and music recently - Then, using such wonderfully academic terms such as "zerotonine" they'll describe whatever "revelation" or "hypothesis" they stumbled upon, eventually trailing off and ending with something brilliantly insightful along the lines of...

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Originally posted by Pinokio I'm just assuming these because often people that take this drugs like this genres.

Does that answer your question?

Edit: Danny said it first and simplest. Listen to him.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 And X just messes with chemicals in the brain that really shouldn't be messed with to the levels that X does....this isn't propaganda as some would say..it's pretty much established in the medical community.

you're referring to the ricaurte study in the U.S. which was funded by nida, the anti drug department of our govt. there was a german study done a few years ago that has debunked those findings and is the reason why to this day no researcher considers the ricaurte study valid at all.

in fact recently ricaurte officially retracted his paper after "discovering" they gave methamphetamine to monkeys instead of mdma. speed, meth, has long been known as the only drug besides alcohol proven to cause brain damage. this is the source of so much controversy around the drug. its pretty easy to see that this meth instead of mdma was not a mistake, to say it was an accident is a hard pill to swallow, no pun intended.

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Yes x is awsome with trance, no surprise there.

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Originally posted by DJ RJT To try to explain away personal, subjective, sensory experiences in such broad terms based on a small microcosm of the music industry seems a bit ridiculous to me. Add to that, the superficial manner in which this is being discussed is all really rather boring, and has been done to death on these forums before. Someone like good old Pinokio comes along every few weeks having just spent a "lot of time thinking" about drugs and music recently - Then, using such wonderfully academic terms such as "zerotonine" they'll describe whatever "revelation" or "hypothesis" they stumbled upon, eventually trailing off and ending with something brilliantly insightful along the lines of... Does that answer your question? Edit: Danny said it first and simplest. Listen to him.

I did search for a thread like this, and didn't found it, before I type the name.

Next Time just don't try to be cool, and give an answer.

about this

"I'm just assuming these because often people that take this drugs like this genres."

I think is you see a common behavior relatred to something, you could think it's because of something, and not just think it's coincidence.

about the LSD I did read something that it was prove by scientists, that the sounds of PSY/GOA are the most intense for hallucinations.

and if you read the first post, I don't say a drug is bonded to one genre only, but it does have a genre that is more common for regular users.

Think RJT, It's not coincidence,
Find a Reason.
and stop trying to be cool.

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I Trance You!