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Originally posted by wookieslut what morons!

LOL Never liked the MoS. More like the Ministry of Shite.

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Originally posted by Great Outdoors LOL Never liked the MoS. More like the Ministry of Shite.

hahhaaA~ Very Funny

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The most interesting part is to see the durability of theese new
decks compared with the Techs, if the deck breaks witin a year
all the hoorays was for nothing.

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I would say that Technics still is on top, but Vestax is beeing more and more accepted and have taken a solid second place.

The others TT nedd to prove they earn a place on the top

here we go again... every few months some new table comes on the market and right away everyone says its gonna be the new king of tables...


BAH!


Techs for life!

I read somewhere that the original tech 1200's were designed as high fi recorders, and no one had dj's in mind. I think thats pretty impresive, but I also think that with the huge technological advances we are making, techs will one day become obliterate. I think right now they are top of the line (althought i still prefer my vestax pdsa1's) but the day will come when you guys are all gonna have to give 'em up.

What is wow and flutter?

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Technics will ofcourse evolve with the market adding new features
to their new decks but in a way that wont danger the durability
of the decks.

yikes, i sound like Technics main salesman.

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Originally posted by mikefasssy What is wow and flutter?

Wow is a slow variation in the rotational speed of a turntable (<20Hz).

Flutter is a rapid variation in the rotational speed of a turntable (>20Hz).

Wow and flutter is given as a percentage and the lower the percentage the better. Tech 12's have a wow $ flutter of <.015%, the TTX1s have a wow & flutter of <.15%. It sounds like a phenomenal difference, but remember that the TTX1 motors are empowered with a much greater RPM variance 33&1/3 all the way to 78. Numark states that the motor control servo continuously monitors over 800 points of optical resolution per revolution, whereas Techs servos monitors 300 points of optical resolution/revolution.

I found out how important wow & flutter is when I played on less expensive tables. While I was beatmatching in my phones, I thought my tunes were in sync. When I cued the B tune and let it go with the A tune, the tune would drift, cuz the turntable motor was trying to compensate for my hand holding the vinyl down (which was slowing down the motor). Sometimes during the live mix, the tune would drift...you know how that sounds.

I'm using TTX1s now...I love them. They are solid, heavy, and my tunes never drift. I agree with the majority here, they haven't been around long enough to prove themselves against the test of time. I took a risk...so far I'm glad I took it. These things rock. I don't care what other people say. I still have great respect for Tech 12s (and even Vestax tables), those things are tanks. But in the end, it doesn't matter what kind of equipment you have. What matters is how you sound. I don't care if AVB, Marco V, John Fleming...whomever are spinning on belt-drives, if they are making the crowd dance...that's all that matters.

looks like it has a very short strait tonearm... is that good?

Regardless if it will out perform the technics, it will not take over.
Clubs and pros in general use what works... and if it aint broke, dont fix it. So as long as the Technics are being manufactured, they will continue to be used by most professionals and clubs.

I've spoken to a couple of djs who have used a couple of Vestax, and they told me they started faster, worked better, etc, but again these tables have never been used and tested for 15+ yrs.

In addition, lets say you decide to purchase a Vestax or even the new Newmark, and lets say you play at a venue or whatever,,, chances are they will have Technics 1200. Now, after practicing and using the "new" decks at home that have faster torque, more control, extra this and that,,,, what will happen when you use something so simple such as the 1200?? When you are in front of the deck, and it doesnt have all the fancy gadgets that you are used to (reverse, digital)?

And trust me, if you are used to practicing on a certain deck for yrs then try something new for one night, its really hard to adjust (timing etc.)

So to summarize, Im not saying that there is no other deck out there that may start faster or give you even more control for mixing, there probably is, but they havent been tested to see how rugged they are, and they are not the most widely used turntable in the world. Its a matter of pure consistency and convinience of why Technics 1200 is the standard and will continue to be the stardard for pro djs in years to come.

imo technics will reign supreme.

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this is it.

I am so sick of Numark stuff breaking. The mixer where I play on the weekend is a 3 channel numark. All the pre fader gains on each channel are broken. Also the Channel faders are stuffed some are ultra slippery and some are really tight and hard to push. Another Numark mixer I have used had some of the kill switches which didn't work and one of the channels didn't work at all. I am totally put off Numark so far all there gear I have used has had faults or been broken. Where as I have used really old Tech 12's and they have been 100% fine. I want something that I can rely on that is rock solid

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