1st....i don't think any 'SANE'/'normal' person would do anything like that...
all those people who commit crazy murders 'for passion' have some sort of disorder or a strange complexity that developed while growing up...


tiesto14 ....yes what she did is horrible and nuts, but there are far more worse crimes that have been commited in the past....

2nd....i have nothing wrong with abortion, as long as it's within a reasonable time period,.. not in the later stages of pregnancy..
i think many parents get emotionally attached to their baby, so as long as it's still small, that's fine i guess, plus, certain complications may occur if the baby is in it's later stages of developement...

anyway....
LATeR

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Originally posted by davinox Be a free-thinker.

I'm not an Atheist, but that ^ is definatly something i believe in.(within limits).

What drives me nuts (not to offend anyone), is when people accept what their religion says and 'nothing else is true', people who just rely on that, people that 'don't think for themeselves' ...

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yeh but shell probs be dead in 20, and if she gets out she'll be in a mental home...

and hehe peopel dying in the name of god malarky. ahhh...

/me is athiest too

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she is the devil in disguise.

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Originally posted by davinox Having a set of morals is good, but having them restrict your judgement is bad. Be a free-thinker.

I am a free-thinker... the only things I believe are things that I can reason out in my head.

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Originally posted by davinox Funny how human life is so amazingly valued by Christianity in the most strict ways, but obviously God does not feel the same way. Slaves in the Bible were not people, but property, and it was not murder to kill one. Hmm...who looks barbaric now? Pro-Abortionists, or Christains?

What does slaves in the Bible have to do with anything? Who killed the slaves? God or people?

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Originally posted by tiesto14 LOL reread what u wrote...ur new hear..well then HOW have you heard all of my arguements...shit if it wasnt for me half these arguements would NOT of been any fun...i am the only one disagrees with everyone else...and there is no such thing as a shitty arguement...the only arguements that ARE shitty are the ones not argued

What I meant was that I heard all abortion arguments. Yours aren't any different.
And yes, there are shitty arguments. Shitty arguments are ones that aren't reasoned out. And all abortion arguments aren't reasoned out.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 thats not true at all...but think what you want...i am not getting back into the abortion debate....and actually my arguement on that was right on according to many people...so thnaks..but no thanks on the challenge

That's fine, I'd rather not debate it either. And just cause people agree with you doesn't make it right lol

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Originally posted by tiesto14 HHHMMMM WASNT IT GOD..that flooded the earth during Noah's Ark to rid the world of all the fucked up people and things that were going on...yes it was....and just for your information..MORE people have died in the name of God then for anything else in history.....

Yup, *apparently* thats what happened. But there's a lot of stuff in the Old Testament I don't believe.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 And it also depends on whether or not you beleive in a fairy tale of an old man in the sky who reins over us and judges are every action for which if we do wrong we have to beg for his forgiveness...

It's not a fairy tale. God exists. I don't feel like arguing right now, but, let me assure you, the arguments for his existence far outweigh the arguments against his existence.

Michael Russo do u live in etobicoke?

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Originally posted by Michael Russo And all abortion arguments aren't reasoned out.

YA to people who dont want to reason...of course...but thats ur opinion on the matter...u beleive it is wrong and thats cool....but sorry my arguemnt was reasoned out and IF you did read you would of seen that...but u didnt...so who cares....






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Originally posted by Michael Russo up, *apparently* thats what happened. But there's a lot of stuff in the Old Testament I don't believe.

OK OK...so u SELECTIVELY decide on your own basis what is real and what is not....OK

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Originally posted by Michael Russo It's not a fairy tale. God exists. I don't feel like arguing right now, but, let me assure you, the arguments for his existence far outweigh the arguments against his existence.

WELL...personally I DO beleive in God...but i do beleive that the majority of the Bible is made up wives tales that only scared people into beleiving in some higher power and if you dont then you are dammed to helll...thats utter crap...i get more validity out of DR. Suess then most of what the Bible preaches.....

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silly people, believing in a "God", but without the Bible, or Torah, or something that you have to believe is RIGHT, how do you know who you are believing in?

tiesto14, you say "I believe in God"... but you don't believe in the Bible...hmm... so what God do you believe in?

Just saying, "I believe a God exists." will 'get you to hell' the same as saying, "The Biblical God sucks shit, and I hate him."

1) You need to believe in a CERTAIN God, you need to worship that God, and you need to cleanse your sins, blow up a World Trade Center, sacrafice a goat, whatever, to get there.

2) Or you can be agnostic, and say, "Fuck it, I'm not getting involved in religion."
3) Or you can be atheist, and say, "Fuck it, religion is made up shit."

Being anything else but one of these three things is IGNORANT. Just saying, "Oh yeah, I believe in God," but not actually believing in something, just saying "Yeah, he exists," doesn't help.
Christains and Atheist alike agree in that.

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Originally posted by davinox tiesto14, you say "I believe in God"... but you don't believe in the Bible...hmm... so what God do you believe in?

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WELL dont put words in my mouth...i NEVER ONCE said i dotn beleive in the Bible...i just find ALOT of whats written is impossible science fiction....but there is also ALOT i beleive in...

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Originally posted by davinox Just saying, "I believe a God exists." will 'get you to hell' the same as saying, "The Biblical God sucks shit, and I hate him."

LOL LOL....if you beleive that then i feel sorry for you...thats where the Bible deceives people...basically kiss Gods ass or u burn in hell...horse shit...blah blah blah blah

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Originally posted by davinox 1) You need to believe in a CERTAIN God, you need to worship that God, and you need to cleanse your sins, blow up a World Trade Center, sacrafice a goat, whatever, to get there.

BLOW UP A WORLD TRADE CENTER.....u sick fucking little shit...over 3000 people died in those buildings...and you seem to condone it simply cus it was done in the name of a God..well if thats what it takes to have a God love you for your worshipping or what have you..then all i got to say is FUCK GOD AND FUCK EACH AND EVERY GOD THAT EXISTS.....how could you try and lecture ME then turn around and say something as moronic as that....NO GOD WOULD WANT 3000 innocent people to die....

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Originally posted by davinox 3) Or you can be atheist, and say, "Fuck it, religion is made up shit."

Made uo shit...look at the Bible....Noahs Ark, parting of the Red Sea and Adam and Eve theory are IMPOSSIBILITIES in a LOGICAL world based on scientific FACTS.....not one of those stories could ever of happened..yet people beleive it....wanna know why...because people are scared...thats why....they are scared if they dont beleive some story like those that God will hate them and blah blah blah....science fiction

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Vivid Boy, I don't live in Etobicoke.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Made uo shit...look at the Bible....Noahs Ark, parting of the Red Sea and Adam and Eve theory are IMPOSSIBILITIES in a LOGICAL world based on scientific FACTS.....not one of those stories could ever of happened..yet people beleive it....wanna know why...because people are scared...thats why....they are scared if they dont beleive some story like those that God will hate them and blah blah blah....science fiction

tiesto14, take some time to reread your posts. Listen to what you are saying. God, by His very nature, MUST be above our finite world. He has control over everything... if you don't believe that He can do something as simple as parting the Red Sea, then you don't believe in God, plain and simple.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 OK OK...so u SELECTIVELY decide on your own basis what is real and what is not....OK

No, I don't selectively decide what is real and what is not... I reason these things out. Everything in the New Testament I believe in. Some stuff in the Old Testament may just be, to quote you, "wives tales that only scared people into beleiving in some higher power and if you dont then you are dammed to helll..."

I don't want to argue about abortion, but I still have not heard one logical and reasoned out argument about it.

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Originally posted by Michael Russo tiesto14, take some time to reread your posts. Listen to what you are saying. God, by His very nature, MUST be above our finite world. He has control over everything... if you don't believe that He can do something as simple as parting the Red Sea, then you don't believe in God, plain and simple.

Well since IT WASNT God who parted the Red Sea..i dont know what your talking about...since it was Moses.....geeezzz arent u the ones who claim to be so religous..i am far from religuos and even i know Moses did....reread that Bible pal...and build a stronger

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