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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

I disagree that a conversation with someone beside you is the same as talking on the phone.

Talking on the phone is a more distant and distracting. The person on the other line isn't aware of what you're doing...they are not a "second set of eyes"...they won't shut up if you're in a stressful driving situation, etc.

It's hard for me to explain...but I think there's a real qualitative difference between the two.

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Originally posted by MarkT I disagree that a conversation with someone beside you is the same as talking on the phone. Talking on the phone is a more distant and distracting. The person on the other line isn't aware of what you're doing...they are not a "second set of eyes"...they won't shut up if you're in a stressful driving situation, etc. It's hard for me to explain...but I think there's a real qualitative difference between the two.

There sure is:

a) There are no body language or facial expressions to interpret in a cell phone conversation thus taking more concentration.
Who doesn't mentally project that person in your mind when you're in a phone conversation?

b) In a loud environment, with a friend, I tend to lean towards them to hear what they're saying and focus more.

Those are just a couple of normal, behavioral conversation nuances.

Are they minor?
Maybe, but if there are stats to back up and warrant an actual Bill, then obviously, there's merit.

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Originally posted by MarkT I disagree that a conversation with someone beside you is the same as talking on the phone. Talking on the phone is a more distant and distracting. The person on the other line isn't aware of what you're doing...they are not a "second set of eyes"...they won't shut up if you're in a stressful driving situation, etc. It's hard for me to explain...but I think there's a real qualitative difference between the two.

id like to see studies... otherwise to me this is just another knee jerk ban in a sea of many

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

I heard this on 640 while I was flying down to school, and I started to yell at the radio...and John Oakley seemed to think this was a great idea...only I found it ironic that his comments were more likely to distract me as a driver then any coversation I would have on my cellphone with a headset.

Nevertheless with a headset, a coffee and a smoke I am a far better driver than I am when I have none of the above.

Without, I am liable to do 140+ and pound music.

Frankly if you are a shit driver who has poor judgement then a cellphone will only make that sitaution worse. I dunno for me, the rules that apply to getting a full license may be too lax, we all know of people who are horse sit drivers who seem to somehow get a G2. Lets start there....

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Unless you're having a conversation with your radio, there's no comparison...

Exactly. There's a difference between just listening to music or a host speak, and actually holding a cellphone in your hand and having a discussion.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Exactly. There's a difference between just listening to music or a host speak, and actually holding a cellphone in your hand and having a discussion.

again id like to see that "difference" measured in a study. Otherwise this ban is just another feel good piece of junk legislation designed to make it look like politicians are doing their job.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 again id like to see that "difference" measured in a study. Otherwise this ban is just another feel good piece of junk legislation designed to make it look like politicians are doing their job.

something tells me that the lack of a study is not the issue for you...as you would still see it as yet another "freedom" or "right" taken away from you by the gov't.

the health studies regarding smoking and second hand smoke have done nothing to sway you into accepting bans on smoking in public places...you just structure your complaint differently and claim that the "rights" or "freedoms" of business owners and smokers are being trampled.

tell me...under what scenario would you support a ban on cell phones in cars? if there isn't one, then you're above quote is bullshit (which is what I'm calling it).

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Originally posted by MarkT something tells me that the lack of a study is not the issue for you...as you would still see it as yet another "freedom" or "right" taken away from you by the gov't. the health studies regarding smoking and second hand smoke have done nothing to sway you into accepting bans on smoking in public places...you just structure your complaint differently and claim that the "rights" or "freedoms" of business owners and smokers are being trampled. tell me...under what scenario would you support a ban on cell phones in cars? if there isn't one, then you're above quote is bullshit (which is what I'm calling it).

If you can demonstrate that its worse than talking to your passenger, eating a sandwich etc etc then id support it. But i just dont see it as a problem on that scale.

We already have laws for dangerous driving. Why cant we just enforce that instead? The answer is because then it doesnt give politicians headlines, thats why.

They had the same debat back in the 30s when they put radios in cars. The EXACT same debate in fact.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 Nevertheless with a headset, a coffee and a smoke I am a far better driver than I am when I have none of the above. Without, I am liable to do 140+ and pound music. Frankly if you are a shit driver who has poor judgement then a cellphone will only make that sitaution worse. I dunno for me, the rules that apply to getting a full license may be too lax, we all know of people who are horse sit drivers who seem to somehow get a G2. Lets start there....

How exactly do you judge who's a shit driver, and who isn't, because its a fact that most drivers out there consider themselves to be above average drivers, which is a mathematical impossibility.

I agree with this in principle. It will be something to raise awareness rather than something that will be strictly enforced. It should apply to all drivers, not just novices.

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Originally posted by zokissima How exactly do you judge who's a shit driver, and who isn't, because its a fact that most drivers out there consider themselves to be above average drivers, which is a mathematical impossibility. I agree with this in principle. It will be something to raise awareness rather than something that will be strictly enforced. It should apply to all drivers, not just novices.

I think to have it not as a 'blanket cover all' for all driver, you could only apply it to novice drivers, as there is a ready standard to identify them... ie. a G1 or G2 licence.

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