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venomX
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Registered: Apr 2001
Location: Vancouver, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Spirit5
I've heard this claim that Magnetonium is making before, and I don't really believe it. I don't buy into it completely, but the stuff I said, it's all speculation, i'm not asking anyone to believe it. But it's just some things to think about. I'm truly not a conspiracy theorist or someone who believes whatever he reads, but there are many things that are mysterious about our past, and many similarities among cultures, mythologies, art that there has to be something they were witnessing. It wasn't all forces of nature that some people claim is what these ancient peoples were witnessing and couldn't explain...people also describe flying things in the sky or moving, fiery clouds or chariots of fire...or airships in the 19th Century.


I agree with the misteries part, but remember fire was also a mistery for us once. Abductions have been widely disproven as far as i can tell, so it would just be wierd anomalies in art, and the "sightings". Maybe its some astrological phenomena we still dont understand? Why cant that also be a posibility? I mean imagine you were a Inuit, what would you have thought the first time you saw the northern lights!?


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quote:
Originally posted by venomX
I agree with the misteries part, but remember fire was also a mistery for us once. Abductions have been widely disproven as far as i can tell, so it would just be wierd anomalies in art, and the "sightings". Maybe its some astrological phenomena we still dont understand? Why cant that also be a posibility? I mean imagine you were a Inuit, what would you have thought the first time you saw the northern lights!?


Yeah but were the northern lights that common all over the world?, how about people in other places that don't see them? Yeah fire was but that was a long time ago, people were using fire for thousands of years before these mythologies/stories were written. It wasn't that mysterious to them, only in the beginning. Abductions haven't been disproven, only some of them. The whole idea about people having these "waking dreams" doesn't explain many cases where people were abducted while driving, like the famous Betty & Barney Hill case in the 60s. Betty even described an alien showing her a star map, and she had no knowledge of astronomy, she wasn't even into it. This was discoved to be Zeta Riticuli in the late 70s. She also described a procedure that many other abducted women have faced....a needle put into their navel...a process a lot like amniosenticious, however you spell that.

Also, many people have had implants taken out, some where placed around nerves that would be used for communicating with the brain. Some people even had nerves from their fingers placed in their arms. These things have yet to be explained. Some skeptics claim that these people must have accidently cut themselves and had a piece of metal slip into their arms or legs, when in actuality, these pieces are put around nerves, there was no evidence of damage/inflammation that they would have caused if something like a piece of metal accidently got in there. There was no evidence of the person having been cut in the area where the implants were put. They could hardly even feel that that implant was in them, yet it showed up on X-Ray. This was coming from a doctor who took them out.

Some skeptics explanations for things i've heard over the years are much hoakier than the claims made by believers, researchers or people who've had experiences. I don't doubt that some abductions are false, some are waking dreams, but there's still plenty of convicing ones and an eerire pattern to many of them that cannot be explained yet. Plus others witnessing the same things, like family members, young children who've claimed to have seen monsters. And this was before the mother did anything about it, she did not talk to her child about it. There were a few cases like this I read about and seen. There's something going on.

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Groundhog Boy
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But unfortunately, I have no respect for most of the believers in so many other areas, that it's hard to take this particular one seriously.

BTW, I heard alien weapons caused 9/11.


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quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium

You can't just consider the art to be based on their dreams and fantasy.


wow.


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LatinLover
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Spirit5,

Good post! Indeed when I started studying UFOs and Aliens I started like any other geek, investigating Roswell I was really intrigued and facinated, I went back to study the Aurora incident. But the truth was that when I study the aftermath of WWII and the beginning of the Cold War. This country acted and operated in a secretly matter. Both the US and the USSR as well all know hired Nazi scientist to boost their technological prog that later delevoped to a nuclear race war. NASA was born in the Cold War, but it wasnt active during Roswell. I truly wanted to believe that there was a cover up and when I investigated I did it in a manner to prove the govt had to do something with it. And I did not have an open mind. to make it short here lol all those claims of Roswell was US TECHNOLOGY no cover up the US just did not talk about it cause they wanted to keep it secret and not allow the investigators to get to the bottom of what the US was working on. THE IDEA OF ALIENS WAS USED BY THE USA TO DISTRACT ITS CITIZENS AND THE MEDIA to cover up the countrys experiment at the time.

If you study the Cold War you will get a good understanding of what Im talking about, in regards of secrecy. So yeah, Roswell and the notion of Aliens became famous because of Roswell, and was an idea used by the US to divert attention and not let our enemy(USSR) get to much info on what crashed through the US media.

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X Files - Last episode of Season 2 and first 2 episodes of Season 3 should answer all!

But yeah, the Anasazi supposedly believed in them.


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venomX
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X Files - Last episode of Season 2 and first 2 episodes of Season 3 should answer all!

But yeah, the Anasazi supposedly believed in them.


I've read about the Anasazi and read no such thing. As for ancient people believing they came from the heaven, its a common belief i do not think its noteworthy. People back then were very impressionable and no doubt the sky and celestial ocurrances would have been extremely noteworthy in their minds and hence all the mysticism around them. I find that to be a more believable theory than beings from another galaxy giving them special knowledge which conveniently disappeared so we couldnt find it


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shaolin_Z
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quote:
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BTW, I heard alien weapons caused 9/11.


You gotta be kidding me.


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quote:
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You gotta be kidding me.


no way, i think he's definitely onto something


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BTW, if anyone is seriously interested in this subject, there's a book I read a long time ago (back in highschool) which was pretty interesting. The guy compares various scriptures, ancient ruins etc to modern technology. I think this book came out in the early 1900s and the guy was called a heretic/anti-christ and all sorts of stuff. It certainly wasn't well recieved back in the day:

Chariots of the Gods

And for the record, no I don't believe in Aliens.


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quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
BTW, if anyone is seriously interested in this subject, there's a book I read a long time ago (back in highschool) which was pretty interesting. The guy compares various scriptures, ancient ruins etc to modern technology. I think this book came out in the early 1900s and the guy was called a heretic/anti-christ and all sorts of stuff. It certainly wasn't well recieved back in the day:

Chariots of the Gods

And for the record, no I don't believe in Aliens.


I've seen that a couple of times on TV; interesting documentary for sure.

Shao, you're just hittin' the documentaries perfectly

Oh wow...someone DID upload it!
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quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I've seen that a couple of times on TV; interesting documentary for sure.

Shao, you're just hittin' the documentaries perfectly

Oh wow...someone DID upload it!
[[ LINK REMOVED ]]


Hehe. Thanks . Yeah, I've watched that at a buddies place some time ago. It's certainly very interesting. Although, I don't see why it has to be "aliens" who're responsible for ancient civilizations possibly possesing technology similar to some of what we have/are working on today. It's certainly an interesting question to ponder over though. Not aliens, but how the fuck they built all those marvelous structures and moved big ass boulders weighing tons and tons hundreds and thousands of years ago that is still incredibly hard to do with our current technology, and at the very least required alot of resources.


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