I don't understand the point where you say that Trance does not follow a set format? All trance songs follow the same format (well most). If it didn't, I can't see people making 2-4 min mixes. Everything happends on beat, and you can predict when changes happen. How can you predict that?, because trance follows a basic format. Yes the beats might sound more diverse, but the beats still follow the same thing. I could argure that you are trying to mix trance harder than you should.

Is it not true that when you mix trance that you know that there will be a big change 16 or 32..etc...bars in the song? And every trance song follows that rule of thumb. It's because you know that, so you can make ur mixes more smooth.

But I see your point as this is going in cirles...but I have to admit it is pretty entertaining!!! (in a sense that we are discussing this in a mature way, and open about other genre's) But then again comes my point....everyone mixes different, and everyone thinks differently about things...

But to be blunt Hip Hop is winning in the poll!!... (that was just a cheap shot!..just for fun!)

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Its all good Ricky H...

To be honest, I'm pretty tired of talking about hip hop so much(especially on a trance forum). The only reason I even posted on this thread was because I was just kinda shocked to see that people actually thought hip hop was harder to mix than EDM. After succesfully/commercially spinning both types of music for many years, and knowing many succesful and well known hip hop DJs(and edm DJs) who agreed 100% of the time, when brought up in conversation, that hip hop is easier to mix... I guess I just assumed it was common knowledge.

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Originally posted by Stealth The vocals aren't supposed to clash thats why hip hop DJs use instrimentals. If you mix hip hop the proper way you will see how easy this stuff really is to mix, especially compared to EDM! Sorry but in all my years as a hip hop DJ I have never seen or heard anyone mix two rnb songs togather for 1 or 2 minutes. I've heard DJs mix an rnb instrimental with a rnb acappella of a different track... but I've also heard many more EDM DJs mix acappellas, so mixing acappellas shouldn't really have anything to do with debate of 'which is harder to mix'. Trance "loops" are always evolving and changing unlike hip hop. Even when hip hop loops do change the songs always follow the same predictable cookie-cutter format. I think it would pretty obvious that trance and other genres of EDM are much more complex than hip hop (therefore making it more difficult to mix than hip hop). Like I said before, vocals should not be an issue when mixing hip hop or rnb if you mix them the proper way. Again, the length of intros should not be an issue if you are mixing hip hop or rnb the proper way. You don't need a sampler when mixing hip hop. No offence to anyone, but I'm noticing a pattern here, the DJs that are saying hip hop is harder to mix don't really seem to know how to mix hip hop properly. They are making it a lot harder on themselves than its supposed be. If you mix hip hop the way its supposed to be mixed you will see how much easier it is compared to mixing EDM. once again, this is how simple it is to mix hip hop: play track 1, then begin to mix in track 2(instrimental version) at the beginning of the track 1 chorus(usually the second chorus), then at the end of track 1 chorus cut to track 2(instrimental version). Then mix in track 2(vocal version). thats it.

there is no proper way to spin hip hop... i know quite a few hip hop dj's and very rarely do they play instras and then the original w/ vocals... maybe a few times a night.. most hip hop dj's i know will either scratch into a track on beat (which is pretty hard) or drop in a track and fade out of the other.. the guys i know do beat juggling more than they do itstras into originals.

everyone is different. hip hop allows you to develop your own style. as i said before.. i like to make instra loops at the beginning and end of tracks and mixing in/out of tracks. i like doing that... dont tellme how i should mix buddy ~ i am making a good living off of djing and i can pack any bar in my city!

but why am i wasting my breath... you already know it all!!

They're both easy damnit.

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Originally posted by nchs09 can someone post a dj set of rap? i want to know what it sounds like.

DJ Rap plays DnB not R&B ...Sorry, I'll get my coat.

Ricky, I reckon people here on a trance forum are bound to say it's harder to mix hip hop - something thats alien will always appear harder to do

This has made interesting reading, cheers

Last edited by Trance Android on Oct-16-2006 at 10:57

This is a totally dumb arsed thread with some really stupid comments in it.

Firstly, Hip Hop and Trance mixing is very different.

For the most part we have EDM enthusiasts who put all their time into mixing trance or prog etc. and have only dabbled in mixing Hip Hop. Of course it’s going to be hard. Keep in mind that a lot of Hip Hop DJs are not turntablists either, and there is a big difference.

The learning curve is just as steep for a Hip Hop DJ to learn to mix trance. The crowd dynamics are different along with the flow and feel of the music.

What also has to be said is that the styles are different for good reasons.

Hip Hop uses drum loops that have been sampled from real drummers and as some of you may not know, there are very few drummers in the world who can keep a rhythm so steady that you would be able to mix them without doing crazy amounts of corrections.
This is true especially for East coast styles.

Most intros in Hip Hop are too short to mix the way we do and don’t provide that opportunity, they may also start with vocals straight away and you would have vocals clashing in the tracks.

A quick scratch with the opening beat is often the way to do it and it works nicely and is not difficult to do.

What you also have to keep in mind is that most Hip Hop DJs don’t really beat match. I know guys who can scratch up a storm but can’t string two dance tracks together.

The reality of the situation is that we are not comparing like for like and that’s about the only conclusion that you can draw from this comparison. A lot of EDM DJs do feel threatened by Hip Hop DJs but should not feel that way.

I have seen Kool DJ Herc play who is the Hip Hop DJ of all DJs as he is practically the reason the whole movement exists and his skills are pretty basic and not to mention hit and miss at best. This still does not detract from the simple fact that he is one of the best DJs I have seen period due to his tune selection and energy. And that is something you are born with and can’t be taught and goes beyond the style of music you play.

What defines us ultimately as DJs is not our mixing/scratching ability but who we are as people and what we give to the performance in terms of Charisma and our understanding of our audience. This is something that goes beyond Genre.

Cheers
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^^^ Damn, its good to have you back man!

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 This is a totally dumb arsed thread with some really stupid comments in it.

If it was sooo dumb, why did you read it then?

If you read it properly, we weren't talking about track selection and all that. We were just discussing the technical side of mixing.

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Originally posted by nchs09 can someone post a dj set of rap? i want to know what it sounds like.

i will but it won't be for a couple days because my equip is at the club and i have a bunch of shit to do today... i will most likely post it late on tues night.

can you give me some instructions on how exactly i can post a set on here?

bisco

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Originally posted by Dj Ricky H If it was sooo dumb, why did you read it then? If you read it properly, we weren't talking about track selection and all that. We were just discussing the technical side of mixing.

It's impossible to tell how stupid a thread is until you read it.

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Originally posted by Stealth WTF??? 1-minute transitions?! I have heard thousands of different hip hop Djs(unfortunately) mixing at different clubs, radio stations, house parties, etc but I have never heard any hip hop DJ doing 1-minute transitions! Hip hop DJs keep transitions short(always during the chorus and never during the verses) because most hip hop/rnb tracks are musical and have melodies... just like you wouldn't mix the main body of one trance track to the main body of another trance track.

Heh, I didn't really explain clearly enough. I do edits on all of my tracks, so it's not like I'm just mixing the standard 12" cuts for a minute straight. And I obviously didn't mean 1-minute EVERY TIME; I was just making a point saying I mix hip-hop harmonically just like EDM DJs mix harmonically (most of them). My hip-hop transitions are usually 64 bars though.

I just read most of the posts. I am going to throw myself from my upstairs window.


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