I haven't posted on TranceAddict in ages, but you've summoned me from my cave at Audiopioneers.

I've been talking to Scott Richardson (the label manager of TranceTribe) and Sean Tyas about the "state of trance" recently. Well, it's as simple as this.

Trance fans, at least the ones these days, are tech savvy. Many of them are computer scientists, engineers, programmers, and the likes. It's hard to find someone who really "knows" the scene who doesn't also want to be a producer or DJ. In any event, they pirate, and they pirate hard, because they know how.

Who listens to house? It's the glamor music of the Prada girls in massive Gucci sunglasses who go to the club in Rome or Paris every weekend. Many forms of house have appeal to the working class in Europe. These are not the people that pirate.

A house hit can sell 15,000 singles. A trance hit is lucky to sell 4,000. Why? Because arguably 60-70% of those would be sales are lost to the click of a button.

I've been involved with some house music because, don't get me wrong, I do like it; I love some electro once in a while or some progressive. Trance, however, is where the heart and soul is for me, and as a pianist and composer I can never truly embrace the more abrasive forms of EDM.

Really, my friends, to keep trance alive you have three options:

1. Don't pirate
2. If you pirate, go to every damned trance event that comes within 100 miles of you
3. Pirate massive amounts of house

-Arman

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one last thought...

DJ top 100 results

http://www.djmag.com/newsfeat390

AvB, PvD & SvD booked to play.

I suggest trance my well figure heavily in the top 10 again...perhaps?

But trance is dying you know...

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Originally posted by armanivespucci I haven't posted on TranceAddict in ages, but you've summoned me from my cave at Audiopioneers. I've been talking to Scott Richardson (the label manager of TranceTribe) and Sean Tyas about the "state of trance" recently. Well, it's as simple as this. Trance fans, at least the ones these days, are tech savvy. Many of them are computer scientists, engineers, programmers, and the likes. It's hard to find someone who really "knows" the scene who doesn't also want to be a producer or DJ. In any event, they pirate, and they pirate hard, because they know how. Who listens to house? It's the glamor music of the Prada girls in massive Gucci sunglasses who go to the club in Rome or Paris every weekend. Many forms of house have appeal to the working class in Europe. These are not the people that pirate. A house hit can sell 15,000 singles. A trance hit is lucky to sell 4,000. Why? Because arguably 60-70% of those would be sales are lost to the click of a button. I've been involved with some house music because, don't get me wrong, I do like it; I love some electro once in a while or some progressive. Trance, however, is where the heart and soul is for me, and as a pianist and composer I can never truly embrace the more abrasive forms of EDM. Really, my friends, to keep trance alive you have three options: 1. Don't pirate 2. If you pirate, go to every damned trance event that comes within 100 miles of you 3. Pirate massive amounts of house -Arman

So true, but I don't think as simple as that.

I don't know about dying, I think music is always evolving and so are people. When i used to live in Los Angeles no one would promote the music to new generations or to people that don't know about the music. Its like wtf did you think was going to happen when the same group of people go to the same trance parties everything weekend? so I mean its natural to see people falling out of the scene and no one new coming in. I don't know about the rest of the world but I live in frisco now, and in frisco its a diffrent reason. No one wants to be the party people, everyone wants dj or producer status. which isnt bad if they promote there music to new people or try to throw new parties.

Main influence in america would have to be the negetive media campagn against raving/clubbing and the EDM associated with going to these events. Also for a short while there was this specific Fear Campagn by the news too. They where reporting that there were people going around with aids infected neeles poking people with them, and that people where throwing acid on people, reports that one E pill will kill you, gangster would rob you and kill you in the dessert. The list go's on and on. So then the cops started to take "Action" on promoters and venues and shit like that.

It's a complicated mess our world is in, no one wants it here but us and if were not willing to fight for it to stay alive and thrive than if it is dying its our fault. Promote your music, Promote your parties, pass out demos to people not just promoters. I am saving up and im going to get a loan to go to a production school and i will start up a label because i love the music. so booyah

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well said

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Originally posted by michaelconway I don't know about dying, I think music is always evolving and so are people. When i used to live in Los Angeles no one would promote the music to new generations or to people that don't know about the music. Its like wtf did you think was going to happen when the same group of people go to the same trance parties everything weekend? so I mean its natural to see people falling out of the scene and no one new coming in. I don't know about the rest of the world but I live in frisco now, and in frisco its a diffrent reason. No one wants to be the party people, everyone wants dj or producer status. which isnt bad if they promote there music to new people or try to throw new parties. Main influence in america would have to be the negetive media campagn against raving/clubbing and the EDM associated with going to these events. Also for a short while there was this specific Fear Campagn by the news too. They where reporting that there were people going around with aids infected neeles poking people with them, and that people where throwing acid on people, reports that one E pill will kill you, gangster would rob you and kill you in the dessert. The list go's on and on. So then the cops started to take "Action" on promoters and venues and shit like that. It's a complicated mess our world is in, no one wants it here but us and if were not willing to fight for it to stay alive and thrive than if it is dying its our fault. Promote your music, Promote your parties, pass out demos to people not just promoters. I am saving up and im going to get a loan to go to a production school and i will start up a label because i love the music. so booyah

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silly thread.....

trance will never die, i keeps evolving and as far as i know tech trance is taking the sence by storm at the min.....

few yrs later it will be another style of trance and so on.....

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Originally posted by jey silly thread..... trance will never die, i keeps evolving and as far as i know tech trance is taking the sence by storm at the min..... few yrs later it will be another style of trance and so on.....

Yea, i think we are talking about the wrong thing here. Trance will never die, though like all other music styles it will always have its ups and down in "popularity".

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WTF is electro? Guess I'd better go listen to some to find out. I bet I won't like it very much, but who knows. I had a discussion with a record label A&R last night, he was saying the big seller nowdays is electro and electro house. Trance just doesn't sell well anymore. OK, I guess it's done then, as far as sales are concerned. If you produce trance tracks, it's probably just better to give them away for free. You'll get way more listens that way. I have to admit, the supersaw has been used to death in Trance, it sounds so dated now.

I'm producing Progressive Trance now, so in that sense I'm keeping with the times I suppose. Fortunately I really dig it, I'm into it. If it dies soon, I guess I'll just go back to giving tracks out for free. Man, the EDM scene is rough, so trend oriented. I don't think I could ever bring myself to produce house or electro.

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Originally posted by zodiac9 Man, the EDM scene is rough, so trend oriented. I don't think I could ever bring myself to produce house or electro.

So true it hurts!

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Originally posted by armanivespucci Trance fans, at least the ones these days, are tech savvy. Many of them are computer scientists, engineers, programmers, and the likes. It's hard to find someone who really "knows" the scene who doesn't also want to be a producer or DJ. In any event, they pirate, and they pirate hard, because they know how. ... A house hit can sell 15,000 singles. A trance hit is lucky to sell 4,000. Why? Because arguably 60-70% of those would be sales are lost to the click of a button.

I get what you're saying although I think it's a little bit misleading; I think there are the same absolute number of house music fans who are tech-savvy, so to speak. Trance music is just more of a fringe phenomenon (much like house was, at one point) and so perhaps a greater percentage of its fans are um, geeks. And in that context you're absolutely right about the piracy aspect.

There's one aspect you're missing though, which is that house really is harder to produce. And I'm not saying that out of disrespect to anyone, I think producing is hard in general, but trance evolved from techno which was always made on computers, and house evolved from disco which wasn't. One of the more difficult aspects of producing is making it sound not-so-computerized, and that's more of a necessity in house.

It doesn't mean house is better than trance, so don't anyone start taking that out of context. I just think there's a tendency toward elitism here, a tendency for people to thumb their noses at house music because it's more "commercial", but those people need to open their eyes and see that the commercial aspect exists in equal proportion for all genres, it's just not as obvious in younger genres like trance than it is in older genres like house. House music has a wider commercial appeal not because all house producers are sellouts, but because good house music sounds organic, natural, and sexy.

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