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Originally posted by DOOMBOT I don't think so. A lot of times it is hard to keep the track sounding good once you go beyond a certain -+%. I have a bunch that still sound fine but I also have a ton that sound like utter shit once you go beyond about 3% to 5% Just remember, faster isn't always better.

that i can agree on, i do have a couple of tracks which are like 148bpm, so a subtle -2% or something gets it to that sweet spot

but then again tempo plays a role in deciding what key the track is in, detuning it and such.

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Originally posted by KilldaDJ yeah maybe. but i bet u that track is more driving at 145bpm than +0%

Are you specifically talking about trance here?

Because I can't picture a funky house track being driving @ 145 bpm.

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Groove is below 130BPM

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Originally posted by KilldaDJ does it say houseaddict.com in the address bar?

Clearly that isn't all that we talk about in this forum. [insert DJ Mikey Mike I just got fucked in the ass again smiley face here]

i will not tolerate house in me thread! :

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You mentioned "the industry" in the opening post, which is quite general.

If we're solely talking about standard trance, then yes 135bpm is an absolute minimum.

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Originally posted by TOR You mentioned "the industry" in the opening post, which is quite general. If we're solely talking about standard trance, then yes 135bpm is an absolute minimum.

well i thought it being tranceaddict.com, being here for 5 years n all, ya know the story

is there even a thing such as 'standard trance'?

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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groove_%28popular_music%29

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In popular music groove, used in the sense of rhythm, is a term for metre and its embellishment by a rhythm section. Richard Middleton (1999) describes, "the concept of groove – a term now theorized by analysts but long familiar in musicians' own usage – marks an understanding of rhythmic patterning that underlies its role in producing the characteristic rhythmic 'feel' of a piece, a feel created by a repeating framework within which variation can then take place." Beyond this generality, the "groove" interpretation technique is widely attributed to James Brown's drummers Clyde Stubblefield and Jabo Starks, traditional Jamaican Reggae and African music, and consists of an interpretation and a syncopation of a binary rhythm in soul music by the rhythm section, even though it has reached many other genres. This particular technique is very well explained and documented in a video from Mike Clark (drums) and Paul Jackson (bass).

I actually somewhat disagree with this description though. I think groove has very much to do with the bassline's interaction with the "rhythm section", but a bassline is not mentioned in this article. Anyone else agree/disagree?

Only partially on-topic, but meh.

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Originally posted by KilldaDJ is there even a thing such as 'standard trance'?

The formulaïc supersaw stuff, I guess.

We need something specific here, because we can't just put a certain bpm rate on 'trance' in general for it to be driving. Markus Schulz plays some driving trance @ 130bpm, while an Alex M.O.R.P.H. track needs to be played @ 140bpm.

Seeing as the term 'trance' is usually associated with big arpeggiated riffs, I referred to it as standard trance.

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Originally posted by david.michael Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groove_%28popular_music%29 I actually somewhat disagree with this description though. I think groove has very much to do with the bassline's interaction with the "rhythm section", but a bassline is not mentioned in this article. Anyone else agree/disagree? Only partially on-topic, but meh.

The bassline is what get's people moving and that is the bottom line. A track can have the sweetest melody in the world, but if the bassline is weak and doesn't fit, people just won't dance and/or "groove".

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT By the way, there are a lot of elements that you can add to a track to make it seem like it is moving faster then it really is. A lot of my favorite progressive & tech-house tracks are like that.

that would be true for alot of techno aswell

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