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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i think youre paranoid enough

Paranoid about Laz showing up with a sack of weed???

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Paranoid about Laz showing up with a sack of weed???

you should be worried about me taking it ha ha ha.....my connect left town and now I have been dry for weeks........................


mesican needs a fix!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by LazFX you should be worried about me taking it ha ha ha.....my connect left town and now I have been dry for weeks........................ mesican needs a fix!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

drop into your local college and ask around man

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"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages...will bear its burden without complaint, and perhaps without suspecting that the system is inimical to their best interests." - Rothschild Brothers of London communiqué to associates in New York June 25, 1863

"The trade of the petty usurer is hated with most reason: it makes a profit from currency itself, instead of making it from the process which currency was meant to serve. Their common characteristic is obviously their sordid avarice." - Aristotle

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"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." - James Madison, 4th US President

"The government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the government and the buying power of consumers. By adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity." - Abraham Lincoln, 16th US President

"A great industrial Nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the Nation and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the world - no longer a Government of free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men". - Woodrow Wilson, 28th US President

"This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs the Bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency Bill." - Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr (1859 - 1924) Congressman (father of the famous aviator)

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson." - Franklin D. Roosevelt, 32nd US President

"All the perplexities, confusion and distresses in America arise not from defects in the constitution or confederation, nor from want of honor or virtue, as much from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation." — John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson.

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance." — US President James Madison

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." - Thomas Jefferson

"I have two great enemies, the southern army in front of me and the financial institutions, in the rear. Of the two, the one in the rear is the greatest enemy..... I see in the future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of the war." - Abraham Lincoln

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation then by deflation, the banks and the corporations will grow up around them, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." -Thomas Jefferson, The Debate Over The Recharter Of The Bank Bill, (1809).

"In the Colonies, we issue our own paper money. It is called 'Colonial Scrip.' We issue it in proper proportion to make the goods and pass easily from the producers to the consumers. In this manner, creating ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power and we have no interest to pay to no one. In this manner, by creating ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power, and we have no interest to pay, to anyone. You see, a legitimate government can both spend and lend money into circulation, while banks can only lend significant amounts of their promissory bank notes, for they can neither give away nor spend but a tiny fraction of the money the people need. Thus, when your bankers here in England place money in circulation, there is always a debt principal to be returned and usury to be paid. The result is that you have always too little credit in circulation to give the workers full employment. You do not have too many workers, you have too little money in circulation, and that which circulates, all bears the endless burden of unpayable debt and usury." - Benjamin Franklin Autobiography

"The government should create, issue and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the government and the buying power of consumers..... The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of Government, but it is the Government's greatest creative opportunity. By the adoption of these principles, the long-felt want for a uniform medium will be satisfied. The taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest, discounts and exchanges. The financing of all public enterprises, the maintenance of stable government and ordered progress, and the conduct of the Treasury will become matters of practical administration. The people can and will be furnished with a currency as safe as their own government. Money will cease to be the master and become the servant of humanity. Democracy will rise superior to the money power." -*Lincoln Abraham Senate document 23, Page 91. 1865

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"Money plays the largest part in determining the course of history" - Karl Marx (Communist Manifesto)

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by Arbiter You should have kept reading... http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#ratification You're awfully quick to accept tax protestors' claims without verification, but it seems you actually go out of your way to avoid seeing evidence to the contrary.

"They" haven't been able to present evidence to the contrary (i.e. "Show me the law!")

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

Oooh an economics thread. Dammit why can't you people make it clear in the headline?? So what's the thesis behind income taxes or taxes in general? There's no point in me watching 10 videos ... since those of you who watched the videos are experts I would appreciate it if someone were to relay the primary talking points so that we all have a clear understanding of what is being disputed.

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Originally posted by occrider Oooh an economics thread. Dammit why can't you people make it clear in the headline?? So what's the thesis behind income taxes or taxes in general? There's no point in me watching 10 videos ... since those of you who watched the videos are experts I would appreciate it if someone were to relay the primary talking points so that we all have a clear understanding of what is being disputed.

Income Taxes & The Federal Reserve (The first one anyways)

The Federal Reserve & a short history of Fractional Reserve Banking & Monetray Systems (The one I just posted)

That's a very general overview of what they go over. And it's two videos, not ten.

If you want to know what their arguments are, why don't you find out for yourself? Sorry, I'm just too burned out rightnow, and if you don't want to watch it, don't. I'm not going to summarize it for you. Plus, I'm beggining to get sick of this place anyways, and am not sure how much longer I'm going to stick around, since no one seems to really give a shit about any issue.

EDIT: In case you plan on watching it, feel free to post your opinon and comments on it. Then I might be interested on commenting on that.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Income Taxes & The Federal Reserve (The first one anyways) The Federal Reserve & a short history of Fractional Reserve Banking & Monetray Systems (The one I just posted) That's a very general overview of what they go over. And it's two videos, not ten. If you want to know what their arguments are, why don't you find out for yourself? Sorry, I'm just too burned out rightnow, and if you don't want to watch it, don't. I'm not going to summarize it for you. Plus, I'm beggining to get sick of this place anyways, and am not sure how much longer I'm going to stick around, since no one seems to really give a shit about any issue. EDIT: In case you plan on watching it, feel free to post your opinon and comments on it. Then I might be interested on commenting on that.

2 videos ... that are both nearly 2 hours each. I have never spent more than 4 hours to hear any singular argument on the internet (or in real life) and I'm not about to start doing so now. Is there something in text that I can look at, directly reference, and come back to in the future, or am I supposed to memorize the entire video and transcribe portions to "quote" should I disagree with it?

Sorry if you're getting sick of this place. However, I wouldn't confuse people not giving a shit about the issues you raise with people not giving a "shit about any issue". There's plenty of discussion and argument on this forum on any number of issues despite the fact that the outcome may not be to your liking.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z "Money plays the largest part in determining the course of history" - Karl Marx (Communist Manifesto)

Dood....Karl Marx???

I seriously think you've been reaching with these quotes...

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Originally posted by occrider 2 videos ... that are both nearly 2 hours each. I have never spent more than 4 hours to hear any singular argument on the internet (or in real life) and I'm not about to start doing so now.

That's because there's a library of knowledge and backround information they have to cover (atleast in the second one, that is, the one not by Russo) in order for the veiwer to be able to understand the arguments and context.

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Originally posted by occrider Is there something in text that I can look at, directly reference, and come back to in the future, or am I supposed to memorize the entire video and transcribe portions to "quote" should I disagree with it?

You could, but that kind of what you asked of me, except I would have to pretty much transcribe the entire thing. Or you could do both.

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Originally posted by occrider Sorry if you're getting sick of this place. However, I wouldn't confuse people not giving a shit about the issues you raise with people not giving a "shit about any issue". There's plenty of discussion and argument on this forum on any number of issues despite the fact that the outcome may not be to your liking.

Mostly partisan politics and other inconsequential issues, at least the framework in which the discussion is confined.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller