But as Maor said, if only a tiny change is made to the melody then it's HIS melody and not yours anymore. Yes, he may have copied your melody, and yes you have the right to feel angry. In fact, I think the whole trance-community should look down upon producers who produce their tracks based upon other tracks. It's just not right. I suggest you try to contact Leon personally (one here in this thread know him in real life) and talk to him about this.

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"You may need to prove you are the copyright owner if there's a dispute over the ownership of a song. For example, if in a few years someone releases a song with lyrics that are extremely similar to yours, and you believe that they've actually nicked them, you will need to prove that you wrote them first.

The easiest way to protect your copyright is to send yourself a copy of your material by recorded delivery. Remembering to do the following:


Put a note inside of when and where the material was recorded, a list of performers on the recording, and the names of writers of the song. Include their addresses.


Make sure that you write the name of the song on the outside of the package.


Get the post office to date stamp across the seal.


Don't open the package when it arrives, just put it somewhere safe.


You don't necessarily need a recording, a manuscript of the music and a lyric sheet will do."

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Last edited by alexpea on Oct-29-2006 at 11:27

Gutted man, hope you get something sorted. It could as previously said though be coincidence.

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I really want to hear what Leon has to say about that since he is a member here

Copying my post made on t.nu and anjunabeats:



I'm sorry Paul, but if you took this to court you would loose big time, because they're nowhere near close enough to each other.

The sound itself is kinda similar, but the note pattern isn't anywhere near close enough. (The way the notes go up and down the scale is quite different, lets not spout 'this is 95% the same' rubbish please.)

The sent to label nonsense doesn't mean a thing, he admitted that he sent it to SEVERAL labels, not just one. Now if he'd said he sent the track to those 2 guys exclusively, maybe just maybe he'd have a tiny point (but like I said earlier, given the clear differences in the note pattern, he doesn't).

Leon Bolier is a good friend of mine and I know that he most certainly wouldn't be involved in any track where there was knowing copying (not that there is in this case because the differences can clearly be heard to my ears).

I realise that because in your mind they are similar and his tracks big whereas yours was unsigned this has hit some raw nerve in you, my advice would be to just let it go and concentrate on writing newer and better music.

Sorry man, I've listened and there is no doubt in my mind at all, no copying has occured here.

Arksun

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funny thing is that the original sounds better in my ears than the new "rip off" version

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Yeah, I don't think you can make a case of this because the melody isn't exactly the same. This happens a lot in music world, similar melodies. Some are just pure coinsidenses, some rip-offs. It's not easy task to write 100% original melody, especially when the melody is simple. I'm sure every artists have struggled with this. I write a new melody if I notice it's too similar with some track.

But I don't like the idea of copying others ideas and then make few small changes. This case, I don't know. It could be just pure coinsidence.

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I'll post my 2nd post I made on t.nu in response to a post made there:


There are 12 notes in the western musical scale. Given literally millions of melodies have been made in music, it is not surprising that there will be similarities.

Not grasping this basic logic would mean that almost all melodies made are copycats, they're not.

Also remember that what defines a melody is two things. 1) The notes being used and 2) The order that they are played.

In Pauls it goes up a few notes, jumps down one then back up again.

In Leons track the melody goes straight up constantly, notes changing upwards jumping back down to a low note again but always moving up in a pattern of 6 up notes, 6 up notes then 4 up notes.

The Paul one goes 3 notes up (with a different seperation), then one slightly down then 2 much higher notes then very low note then back to the first note and repeat.

I have a good gift in just spotting this kind of thing instantly when I hear something, but I've got to the lengths to disect it for you so hopefully you'll understand better

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Copying my post made on t.nu and anjunabeats:

Nobody in world say that I'm trouble-maker or something like this. I think you understand me. This track got a lot of my forces, I think you remember what is the start.
Yesterday night I received a letter from my good friend who listened to the Irony before (he is not proffesional musician). He wrote me that he listened with his nonproffesional ear the "very similar" melody in ASOT. Let us beleive that this guys decided to put the "fluffy cheesy breakdown" to technical track, to choose the same sound, to get the same arp, to get similar chords.... Possibly yes. But I can't trust in it.
To many coincidences in 1 small episode.

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The melody is definitely NOT the same. Besides that; the sound used in both productions comes from a preset in Vanguard which contains an arp. It's likely that it's going to sound similar!

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If you are really sure that Leon and Cliff stole your melody, please take this to court. It's very childish to speak bad about something you haven't proven yet. You have posted this on several forums to achieve what? Sounds like you're more up to damaging Leon as a producer than to get your right.

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Last edited by Passiva on Oct-29-2006 at 14:11

quote:

Originally posted by RebeL9 funny thing is that the original sounds better in my ears than the new "rip off" version

Plus One!

It really is better.

And as sad as it is to say, you don't really have a leg to stand on.

2 examples of recent high profile rip off tracks are:

Marcel Woods - Advance vs. Anne Savage - The Do

Marcel got the rug pulled from under him big time on this one.

Samples:

http://www.audiojelly.com/details.cfm?id=16368 - Advanced


http://www.audiojelly.com/details.cfm?id=39875 - The Do


As you can clearly hear, it's not just the melody and the synth patch, but the perc, the bassline and use of vocals too. Adsolute joke to be fair.