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Originally posted by Murlman17 I just recently started listening to trance and really like it...alot I'm a basshead, have a nice setup and want to know if there are any dj's out there that produce music that dips sub 30hz?

the response prob isn't fast enough, so it will distort like hell.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I fail to see how you equate a football crowd chanting and jumping with dancing.

aww i feel sorry for you then.

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Originally posted by stevësto aww i feel sorry for you then.

No you are. SYSTEM-J makes a good point. We've all heard the beatless trance chillout remixes etc etc, which are really just the same trance tunes without the beats and driving bassline.

You want to dance to that, be my fucking guest.

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SOME melodies you can dance to, because the melody itself has a beat to it. all melodies/acapellas have a tempo to them, they dont sound right layered over a beat unless the tempo is matched. but to make a blanket statement like you cant dance to a melody is inviting a challenge. the example i gave of zombie nation disproves it. folk music singing is another, someone gets up and just sings and people naturally feel the rythm/tempo to the melody and join in with clapping their hands. gospel singing is another. using an example of trance songs with the beat taken out to make a chill out cd is a bad one to prove that you cant dance to a melody.

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go find a copy of jon b - trance and bass. its a compilation he made for mix mag a couple yeras back


nothing even comes close if you dig your deep bass sounds

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

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SOME melodies you can dance to, because the melody itself has a beat to it. all melodies/acapellas have a tempo to them, they dont sound right layered over a beat unless the tempo is matched. but to make a blanket statement like you cant dance to a melody is inviting a challenge. the example i gave of zombie nation disproves it. folk music singing is another, someone gets up and just sings and people naturally feel the rythm/tempo to the melody and join in with clapping their hands. gospel singing is another. using an example of trance songs with the beat taken out to make a chill out cd is a bad one to prove that you cant dance to a melody.

Yes, you are very correct and let's just not forget Johann Strauss'(anm many others) Waltze's and thousands of ballets such as various parts in Tcaikovsky's "swan lake" for example...(Ballet is a kind of dance you know!!!)

+ Listen to Steve Reich's compositions and expose yourself to melody as rhythm.

The key to the rhythm is duration and since duration is an essential aspect of melody then you can surely dance to it. (At least in the cases that the sequence and type of durations promote dancing, that is, usually short intervals within/between the note(s)).

I find Allied Nation's "trance chill-out" example totally wrong. The reason is that chill-out mixes are remixes, the whole tune is reworked so as to be slower, softer and generally more gentle. It's not that just the kick-drum and the bass is missing so that the tune has suddenly transformed from (possibly) massively euphoric to chill-out. The BPMs are lowered, the lower frequencies are generally taken out and usually soft ambient pads are added so as to make the end-product sounding more relaxing. I think that if you have a massive euphoric trance tune with a massive fat gated super-saw(like Veracococha-Carte Blanche or Rank-1-Awakening for example) and you get the beat out but keep the BPMs and the overall structure intact, i'm sure that you could dance to it!

Perhaps I was being a bit too blunt. My personal definition of "dance music"- electronic or otherwise, is where the track is defined by what the lower end is doing- you dance when the beats and bassline are in full flow, you stop and catch a breather when they cut out, you speed up and slow down accordingly. You find this to be universally true- the "peak" of any dance track will always have the beats out in full force, and the "lulls" will usually have little or no beats. Even if you can clearly define these points by the rest of the track, the bottom end leads by example.

To use the Zombie Nation example- when you hear the record in a club, when do you start dancing? Is it when the melody kicks in, or the beat? So yeah- I'm wrong because you can dance to pure melody, but in the context of dance music you don't. The bottom end is a crucial part of the genre, and so bassheads simply want to amplify it.

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For a dance track, for me, it is important to have all three. But some find some things more pleasing than others. I personally, like I said in my earlier post, am just more into melodies with a nice beat, and it's one of the reasons I like trance so much, because of it. The bass is fine, but I would much rather have a nice clean and smooth bassline, vs. a really booming bassline like in a lot of psy and hard trance, and various hardcore dance stuff. I like how some epic and progressive can have a pretty big bassline at times, yet it doesn't seem to take over the track as it does with some other music. The sole purpose of this music, I don't feel, is just for dancing. It's nice to just sit back and chill out to a trance mix or track, you don't have to dance to it all of the time. Just like hip hop, you can dance to it, you can also listen to it, it doesn't really matter. Hip hop isn't exclusively music for dancing. I doubt people are dancing in their cars listening to trance, or walking around with an MP3 player. It's just fun to listen to it.

Last edited by Spirit5 on Nov-03-2006 at 00:58

Actually, for a dance track it's not necessary to have much melody aside from the bassline. I can think of many huge club hits you can't really whistle.

It's simple really. You listen to trance because you enjoy the melodic side over the rhythmic side, where as bassheads prefer to groove to music and so bring the bottom end to the fore.

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> Dance:Love:Hub Afterparty (The Return) 23.11.24

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Actually, for a dance track it's not necessary to have much melody aside from the bassline. I can think of many huge club hits you can't really whistle. It's simple really. You listen to trance because you enjoy the melodic side over the rhythmic side, where as bassheads prefer to groove to music and so bring the bottom end to the fore.

Okay what I think what I meant was that it's imporant to me at least..to have all three. Quite aware that a lot of dance music doesn't have it. And yeah, I like melodic stuff, that's a given.

The bass is the melody, and the melody is the bass

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Originally posted by 2lazy2shave The bass is the melody, and the melody is the bass

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