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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Buy thousands of dollars worth of hardware synths and effects. Nah. What parts of your sound are you having trouble with?

Im having trouble with the "sound" part. It is not the Logic / song part. I compare my stuff to tracks by Armin Van Buuren or whoever and they have that extra umphh. Its like they only use a few tracks but each track sticks out right in your face and is very thick and phat /warm.
Its hard to explain this is the best way I can put it.


I just got back from vacation, so sorry i didnt get to reply earlier

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Originally posted by kitphillips Haha , This is a funny thread, Krispy you've been round here a while, you know what happens when people ask this question. You know as well as we all do that there's no such thing as a "pro sound"! Why don't you post whatever track you're getting frustrated with and we can try adn give you some more specific advice.

hehe your right, I am guilty of asking such a question....however I guess I would just like to know a few tips here and there maybe could help out. Like I said .. it doesnt have to do with the software stuff. I already pushed Logic to its limits... i think there is something more to it. I really believe to get that phat warm in your face UMPPHHH , there is something behind it and was hoping someone could put a tip or two to get to that point.

Let me explain. To get the "pro sound" it is not just eq compressing etc. It is something you do ... some type of processing to make you FEEL the music , not just hear it. It makes the sound come 3d , and jump out. It make you visualize as if the kick was right in your face and fill up the whole room instead of just a flat sounding kick.. There is a secret behind it , i just dont know what it is yet

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Originally posted by echosystm what the fuck kind of question is this?

Its a good question. Some people can make decent tunes however they cannot get THAT sound. So the question is how do you get THAT sound

Its something else other than just eq and clean mixing. All my mixes are so clean.. WAY too clean.. it sounds way to digital and cold. You hear those pro songs, all the tracks are like glued together its hard to explain.

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Originally posted by Craig Bradley not really helpful is it... anyway mate it's all down to how you mix the tune make sure each element has it's own frequency space in the field and doesn't clash with any other elements ie (eq) . make sure you find or make sounds which fit nice together, also down to volume levels aswell make sure you get your volume levels right if this is wrong it can sound shite anyway. Compression is not always important i think tunes are too compressed these days but thats my personal opionion i think levels is the main issue.

ya man, i think mixdown is the key

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Originally posted by Krispy Kreme Let me explain. To get the "pro sound" it is not just eq compressing etc. It is something you do ... some type of processing to make you FEEL the music , not just hear it. It makes the sound come 3d , and jump out. It make you visualize as if the kick was right in your face and fill up the whole room instead of just a flat sounding kick.. There is a secret behind it , i just dont know what it is yet

What do you expect to hear here? That there turns out to be some secret kept module you can only get if you are a pro, and makes your "sound" better?

1. Crappy mix
2. Professionalizer rack unit
3. Profit!


You are right, it's not just eq compressing etc. It's MIXING, eq, compressing etc. In that order.

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i used to think it was all about the hardware. and sure, a more powerful synth might add power to the mix, but an ok mix with hardware will be overshadowed by a great mix using just soft synths.

i wish i knew what it was that the pro's do that i dont, but im noticing that you can cram a hell of a lot more sound into the 0.0db level than i originally thought. and this is starting to make my productions sound better.

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or louder?

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Originally posted by richg101 i used to think it was all about the hardware. and sure, a more powerful synth might add power to the mix, but an ok mix with hardware will be overshadowed by a great mix using just soft synths. i wish i knew what it was that the pro's do that i dont, but im noticing that you can cram a hell of a lot more sound into the 0.0db level than i originally thought. and this is starting to make my productions sound better.

ya, it is weird, I compare meters and my music is actually louder than the pros, but does not feel / hear that way.

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Originally posted by Krispy Kreme ya, it is weird, I compare meters and my music is actually louder than the pros, but does not feel / hear that way.

Please don't tell me thats the only dimension you think of in terms of sound design...because if it is, its no wonder you are having problems...

When you talk about the "glue" that holds the sound together, maybe what it is, is some distortion stuff they're running it through? Try running your synths into a guitar stompbox or something, maybe an old dodgy mixer way maxed out to distortion point? Get creative with it if you think your mixes are too perfect/sterile. Often distortion can add a hell of a lot to percieved loudness and the software stuff really makes me cringe so don't even think about it!

I know a lot of people are using external hardware for summing these days, and people have been using analogue stuff to get a more cohesive sound for ages but I'm a bit skeptical about all that stuff. I recomend you just find one or two bits of cheap hardware (preferably really bizzare and off the wall) and run some stuff through that. It might fix your problems.

Otherwise just listen to it 6 months or a year later and try and decide whether you were just being critical at the time, I do that a lot and discover that I was a genius a year ago and a fool now.

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Originally posted by Pjotr G or louder?

i suppose. but i find my levels are peaking to the same they were originally yet the sound is a lot more full. i think the right compression after the mix has been tweeked really bonds the tracks together that extra bit. i wanna learn multiband compression soon.

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