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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy I usually find most Californias to be not that complex in taste, though they are getting better as the vineyards better develop techniques and steal winemakes from Europe to make the blends. Same problem with a lot of Australians, South American wines (Chile, Argentina) and South African stuff. On the bright side, all those regions seem to be getting better and their non-complex stuff is a pretty good value for table wines.

Yes the Australians and SA's in particular are making some big inroads and very quickly into the traditional european markets, most of its the middle of the road type of stuff which is, for what you pay for it quite a good drop most of the time compared to the french or german in the same price bracket.
I'll go trawling through the bottleshops here before xmas and see what I can find in US wines.

Its because the majority of Americans are pussies and like their shit watered down and with sugar. Fruity wine coolers, shwag beer, tea with cream and sugar (what the fuck), coffee with cream and sugar. Just look at starbucks, have you tasted that crap?!

I guess it boils down to a question of taste. And speaking from experience in living in this society: Most Americans posessNO TASTE

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Originally posted by Clovis I never watch Fox, or any TV for that matter I know wines have different tastes, I'm not talking about the hints of different flavors you get from actual wine, I'm talking about wine that is specifically marketed because it is fruity as hell. Most people I know in this country cannot taste those subtle differences, they want something that flatout has blueberry or cherry taste in it. I've been to vineyards in southern France and in Spain, and I know they use these types of descriptions, but its blown way out of proportion here. And I'm sure that if you ask people to drink a fine Pinot Noir they will not be able to taste the cherry flavor, but if you give them some shit fruity californian wine, where they specifically market the flavor of the wine over the wine itself, people will.

Oh, you mean like my mom wants in a wine . She has awful taste in wine. She'd drink stuff from Lambrusca grapes that taste like juice(Concords, Niagra) over the normal Vinifera grapes (Cabs, Syrahs, Chardonnays, etc.). I've never had wines that flat out taste like blueberries or cherries. Are you sure they're not made with the fermented fruit of those flavors? I've heard of people actually making blueberry wine from blueberries, peach wine from peaches, dandelion wine from dandelions, etc., but that's usually home winemakers, not commercial stuff.

The reason I mentioned the Fox show was because this topic was kind of covered on that sitcom last night.

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Originally posted by Clovis And there is good American beer, its called Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.

One night I drank a 12 pack of this stuff in just a couple hours and lost 8-10 hours of my life.

I woke up hugging the upstairs bathroom floor at my parents house as if I were holding onto it for dear life.

I'm pretty sure it was one of the best nights of my life.

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Originally posted by Clovis I'm not advocating their consumption, I hate those beers

You flipped your opinion in the face of criticism.

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Originally posted by Omega_M You flipped your opinion in the face of criticism.

Point me to where he advocated the consumption of those beers? I can't seem to find it.

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Originally posted by Lilith Yes the Australians and SA's in particular are making some big inroads and very quickly into the traditional european markets, most of its the middle of the road type of stuff which is, for what you pay for it quite a good drop most of the time compared to the french or german in the same price bracket. I'll go trawling through the bottleshops here before xmas and see what I can find in US wines.

Mondavi is pretty well respected. I've also had good stuff from Stag's Leap. I remember trying Columbia Crest wines from Washington in class that were good, but haven't had any since. I'll look for more when I see what I've got on my rack at home.

I stay away from anything by E&J Gallo, as they produce so much jug wine, it's sad and even if they did make something good, I wouldn't support them because of the majority of crap that they do sell.

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Originally posted by RJT One night I drank a 12 pack of this stuff in just a couple hours and lost 8-10 hours of my life. I woke up hugging the upstairs bathroom floor at my parents house as if I were holding onto it for dear life. I'm pretty sure it was one of the best nights of my life.

Thats all we drink at my house, my roomate Simon got us into it. We usually get a 24 pack for the weekend

Oh, and the 24oz Sierra Nevada bottles are INSANE. After the first you'll be buzzed, after the second you are trashed, and I can take alot usually

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

It's arguably my favorite beer - But there's one it probably can't top.

I'm going to refrain from posting it though, the Dutch will be all over my ass for it (and it isn't Heineken ).

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Originally posted by Omega_M You flipped your opinion in the face of criticism.

This is the second time you've accused me of flip flopping when in reality I've had the same position all along. But its okay, I have friends with reading difficulties, I feel you.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Oh, you mean like my mom wants in a wine . She has awful taste in wine. She'd drink stuff from Lambrusca grapes that taste like juice(Concords, Niagra) over the normal Vinifera grapes (Cabs, Syrahs, Chardonnays, etc.). I've never had wines that flat out taste like blueberries or cherries. Are you sure they're not made with the fermented fruit of those flavors? I've heard of people actually making blueberry wine from blueberries, peach wine from peaches, dandelion wine from dandelions, etc., but that's usually home winemakers, not commercial stuff. The reason I mentioned the Fox show was because this topic was kind of covered on that sitcom last night.

I'm not sure if they add the flavor, but its pretty much their main goal when p-roducing the wine. Instead of making good wine and having the flavor be a product of the wine, they make the wine in order to get this flavor.

And shit this thread just reminded me how much an iced pitcher of Sangria is awesome.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by RJT It's arguably my favorite beer - But there's one it probably can't top. I'm going to refrain from posting it though, the Dutch will be all over my ass for it (and it isn't Heineken ).

Heineken's shit. The export stuff (which you lot get) is a little less shit, but still, it's shit.

Wondering what Dutch stuff you DO like then.

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