i thought this thread was gunna be about something way different

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that's what all the DJs here are like

I even mentioned it to one resident DJ. I came back to the club about a month later and the sound system was no longer distorting and blaring like it was the first time.

Dunno if he even heard me or understood what i said, but I dont' think he redlines anymore.

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Originally posted by Clovis I wonder why

LOL. I think you know exactly why. Now turn it up!

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I'm noticing that my new Xone:62 is much more tolerant of going past 0 dB (A&H calls it 'headroom' in the manual) than my previous DJM-400.

Whereas with the DJM-400 I had to be very careful not to let levels get to even one yellow bar (+2dB), with the 62 I find that I can hit +1, +3, and even +5dB for super loud parts of a track, without any resulting distortion.

In fact, I need to hit +1 and +3 on the Xone in order to achieve a relatively similar 'loudness' of the mix compared to the DJM-400. The Xone has slightly (but noticeably) less bass than the DJM-400, as perhaps Pio is geared towards hiphop as well as electronica, whereas A&H is geared more towards electronica.

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keep it green, green is good. 0db is where you should be peaking under all circumstances. once you go over 0db the signal is clipped meaning that the top portion of the sound wave is cut off. this forms a square wave and sqaure waves = distortion and possibly blown speakers.

On the Ecler mixers (at least the Nuo lines), the VUmeters are green until slightly below 0dB gain, at which it turns yellow. Any red on Nuo mixers is above 0, and starts sounding bad.

Incidentally, I rarely hit the yellows (0dB gain) when I'm mixing. I don't really have experience with other mixers, but I do recall seeing that the DJMs (including recent ones) have a lot of red in the meters.

I'm surprised I didn't post in this thread. I fucking hate redlining.

My first gig out I was booked by a promoter for the all-ages scene and every one of those DJs think it's best if the meters hit top and stay at top. So I was watching my levels on the mixer, hitting right below the red just to keep it loud enough. Then the promoter comes up, doesn't say anything to me and fucking CRANKED my gains, looked over at me and smiled with a thumbs-up. I wanted to tell him to fuck off and never touch a mixer while I'm mixing but he was kind enough to book me so I couldn't do it.

The sad part is, on the various amps and audio equipment scattered around the club they had been peaking for so long that the red LEDs had burnt out.

I've brought the subject up multiple times to the locals who I've caught red-lining and they've always said, "Yeah, I know it's bad for the mixer but it's too quiet in the club if I don't do it! There's no distortion!"

Like hell there isn't. Christ.

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Originally posted by AnomalyConcept On the Ecler mixers (at least the Nuo lines), the VUmeters are green until slightly below 0dB gain, at which it turns yellow. Any red on Nuo mixers is above 0, and starts sounding bad. Incidentally, I rarely hit the yellows (0dB gain) when I'm mixing. I don't really have experience with other mixers, but I do recall seeing that the DJMs (including recent ones) have a lot of red in the meters.

I set my gains to allow max one red bar on my nuo 5.
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Last edited by gorex on Apr-27-2007 at 20:50

I only have one red led on my rane empath mixer. And I always keep hitting it when I mix. I have been wanting to fix it but Ive been too lazy, I think it sounds fine.


ive spun on djm 800s and they shoudl be kept below the red.

don't forget that distortion can sound good!

no, i am not taking the piss, it certainly can.

on my djm800, i turn the master way down, so i am only getting like 2 green bars there. but on the CHANNEL fader, i am driving that shit right into the red. no problem. it makes the sound sound "crunchier"

now, you could say this is "distortion".. but i think it can be used well.

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Originally posted by Briden don't forget that distortion can sound good! no, i am not taking the piss, it certainly can. on my djm800, i turn the master way down, so i am only getting like 2 green bars there. but on the CHANNEL fader, i am driving that shit right into the red. no problem. it makes the sound sound "crunchier" now, you could say this is "distortion".. but i think it can be used well.

Or you could use the crush effect...

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Originally posted by Vero keep it green, green is good. 0db is where you should be peaking under all circumstances. once you go over 0db the signal is clipped meaning that the top portion of the sound wave is cut off. this forms a square wave and sqaure waves = distortion and possibly blown speakers.

I've listened closely to the tech/mnml/house mixes I recorded peaking at +1, +3dB on the Xone:62, and I cannot hear any distortion. Even when I normalize the mix in Sony Vegas, it doesn't sound noisy or crackly.

For the purposes of recording a mix at home, I think you should strive to record a mix as massive and vivid as possible while avoiding any distortion.

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