char is for chariot, car has nothing to do with that.

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C vraiment bizarre que 2 culture vive ensemble depuis plus de 1 siecle, pis qu'on toujours aussi distinct. Le raciste c'est la cause de tout sa. Pas du raciste radical, mais une difference de chaque peuple envers l'autre. J'ai des amis anglophones: si je lui parle d'une emission de tv quebecoise, ya aucune idee de quoi je parle, il connait aucun artiste quebecois, il y a une grosse craque entre les 2 mondes, c dommage parce que le quebec est diviser a cause d'une chicane de famille.


neway mon char a un flat, pi jai pas rapport avec le topic.

ca c'est vrai, marcus est une exception, mais les anglos sont vraiment dans leur bulles, c'est meme pas drole.


deux solitudes.

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Originally posted by HaeD C vraiment bizarre que 2 culture vive ensemble depuis plus de 1 siecle, pis qu'on toujours aussi distinct. Le raciste c'est la cause de tout sa. Pas du raciste radical, mais une difference de chaque peuple envers l'autre. J'ai des amis anglophones: si je lui parle d'une emission de tv quebecoise, ya aucune idee de quoi je parle, il connait aucun artiste quebecois, il y a une grosse craque entre les 2 mondes, c dommage parce que le quebec est diviser a cause d'une chicane de famille. neway mon char a un flat, pi jai pas rapport avec le topic.

Your observations fit most of the facts, but I would have to disagree with your conclusions... and everyone in Anglo Canada knows who Roy Dupuis is


I think the angle that you aren't considering is that the division is by complicit design.

The purpose of which I think can be understood by asking the question "What makes a country rich?"

Imagine a book of Canadian History that is 100 pages long. If you remove all the 'friction' between Quebec and the rest of Canada how many pages do you lose? And how much richness do you lose?

Now imagine a book of Quebec History (i.e. Records the Identity of Quebecers) that is 100 pages long. Quebec culture wins huge dividends because of the division.

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Simplified analogy... if Canada were (Chip Wagon/Casse Croute) Fries, then the craque would be Salt... without it, the Fries would be bland.

J.ean C.HAR est FTW!

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Originally posted by Subey Your observations fit most of the facts, but I would have to disagree with your conclusions... and everyone in Anglo Canada knows who Roy Dupuis is

Doesn't count, he played in Nikita

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Originally posted by malek ca c'est vrai, marcus est une exception, mais les anglos sont vraiment dans leur bulles, c'est meme pas drole. deux solitudes.

What do you care what us stupid anglos think? We're such a minority in this province!

We may be stupid when it comes to the seperation issue, I've lived here my entire life and still cant figure out why it's in Quebec's best interest, but the truth is who cares what we think? You dont need Quebec's english minority vote to seperate from Canada! You need all the french people and immigrants that had their votes illegaly thrown out by your saviors the PQ

Insert generic malek response: Go pop pills (there I did your work for you)

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Originally posted by malek ca c'est vrai, marcus est une exception, mais les anglos sont vraiment dans leur bulles, c'est meme pas drole.

Awww thanks Malek...

I love Quebec cinema with a passion.

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Originally posted by Alex What do you care what us stupid anglos think? We're such a minority in this province! We may be stupid when it comes to the seperation issue, I've lived here my entire life and still cant figure out why it's in Quebec's best interest, but the truth is who cares what we think? You dont need Quebec's english minority vote to seperate from Canada! You need all the french people and immigrants that had their votes illegaly thrown out by your saviors the PQ Insert generic malek response: Go pop pills (there I did your work for you)

j'ai tu parler de separation? je ne suis meme pas separatiste. Comment tu peu faire un pays avec 50 % de la population qui veulent pas se separer meme si on se separe, l'opinion est tellement diviser que sa peut pas marcher

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Originally posted by Subey Imagine a book of Canadian History that is 100 pages long. If you remove all the 'friction' between Quebec and the rest of Canada how many pages do you lose? And how much richness do you lose?

on a probablement perdu beaucoup plus que l'on peu y croire. Le canada serait rendu tellement plus loin si on aurait reussi a s'entendre. L'histoire de 2 peuple qui sunisse pour leur interet commun.

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Originally posted by HaeD on a probablement perdu beaucoup plus que l'on peu y croire. Le canada serait rendu tellement plus loin si on aurait reussi a s'entendre. L'histoire de 2 peuple qui sunisse pour leur interet commun.

You are making a fundamental error on what it means to be human.

The record of civilization is not a trip from dystopia to utopia in as short an amount of time as possible. It's a journey that understands that civilization has its foundation and its expression in stories and through story telling.

We all innately understand that conflict is the perfect catalyst for stories. The perfect cultural example:

Luke Skywalker *with* an Evil Emperor is a heroic leader of a rebellion.
Luke Skywalker *without* an Evil Emperor is a moisture farmer.


In a example that is more Canadian I'd offer the story of Voice of Fire, the painting which presently hangs at our National Gallery. If you replace the purchase of that painting with the purchase of a group of seven painting then you would have gotten 10 minutes of conversation and 10 lines in a newspaper article. But as it was, it generated millions of hours of conversation on the nature of art. The conflict enriched our culture.


If we jump to Western Canada, when they gave power to Preston Manning they weren't being anti-Canadian, they were creating a new piece to play in the story of Canada... 'The Western Reformer'. If they had instead elected 'Joe Liberal' then the story of Canada wouldn't be as rich.


Civilization fosters story telling first, and progress second. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

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Life is not made to be a story

On parle jamais des bons choix car il sont transparent et ne laisse pas de marques, c'est les mauvais choix qui laisse des cicatrice. Si notre histoire est juste bonne a ecrire des livres d'histoire, a quoi bon les lire.

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Originally posted by HaeD j'ai tu parler de separation? je ne suis meme pas separatiste. Comment tu peu faire un pays avec 50 % de la population qui veulent pas se separer meme si on se separe, l'opinion est tellement diviser que sa peut pas marcher

I was talking to malek mate sorry!

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Originally posted by HaeD Life is not made to be a story On parle jamais des bons choix car il sont transparent et ne laisse pas de marques, c'est les mauvais choix qui laisse des cicatrice. Si notre histoire est juste bonne a ecrire des livres d'histoire, a quoi bon les lire.

Perhaps I have placed too much importance on the word 'history', as it is just a coarse record, and only one aspect of the importance of story.


Look at sports. Sports contain a set of rules which are designed to create stories.

"Did you see that goal?"
"What an amazing punt return"
"Wow, I can't believe our team battled back and made it to game seven!"


Now look at daily life. Culture provides us with a set of rules which are designed to create stories.

"Remember on New Year's eve when?"
"Do you think I should ask her to dance?"
"I'm so stressed I have a job interview tomorrow"


To maintain the parallel observation. Hockey is a finely tuned game. It creates all sorts of stories within it (goals, penalties), and all sorts of stories between it (playoffs, trades).

Culture is just as finely tuned, for the exact same reasons as Hockey. The purpose of nations and provinces and ideologies is that they provide a framework for story in exactly the same way an ice rink does.

"He's crossing the blue line..."
"At the premier's conference today in St. John's..."

If our movies, and tv shows, and books and paintings are rich, then that richness is a direct reflection of the richness that exists in our daily lives.

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