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HardTranceProd
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See this is something I don't get:

In real life, I've talked with many people about the fact that America is often Puritan, religious, and uptight. In many cases, these people had a very angry reaction when I expressed my view. They told me that religious lunatics are such a marginal element of American society that (quote) "you could fit all of them into one stadium".

So who is right? me, or them?

On this forum, there's a guy named RJT who likes to argue with me. He constantly accuses me of considering the US to be a socially conservative theocracy. He argues that America is nothing like that and that I'm "too impressionable".

But I tell him, whenever I open a newspaper or a newssite, EVERY DAY without exception, I see an article or a story dealing with some cultural/religious controversy, most often to do with sex, values, etc., such as breastfeeding in public, showing a nipple on TV, or - just the other day - the cheerleaders in Texas or the Miss America scandal, or the Intelligent Design debate.

In every story, there's a fundie/prohibitionist side which advocates religious values and conservatism. So is it really true that the number of Puritan-minded Americans is so small "you could fit all of them into a single stadium"? With this thread being just another case in point, who is right: me or them?

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Civil Unions are for the state. Marriage is for the church.


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Moral Hazard
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Registered: Mar 2005
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Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Or have them take a pre-marital course thats mandatory before they can get married.


This really isn't nearly as effective as you may think. Just this past Saturday my parish priest approached my wife and I to begin teaching the pre-marital classes. We had a rather lengthy conversation about it durring which Father Con noted that he's only had three couples decide not to get married as a result of the classes. Moreover, I'm fairly certain that if one were to run the numbers there would be very little difference between the %age of people who get divorced that have taken the classes vs. the general population. I would suspect that any difference in the numbers is likely attributable to religious reasons then the merits of the pre-marital classes.

All of that said, I do think the classes are useful in that it does cause some couples to address practical concerns they may not have discussed.

BTW, did you not find the part on "natural" family planning to be overly religious? That was the only objectional part of the classes to me... here's some middle aged couple with 7 children telling us that NFP works and that it is the only acceptable way to practice birth control because any other method is interfearing in God's will... WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOD... IF IT'S HIS WILL HE CAN FIND A WAY TO BREAK THE CONDOM OR MAKE HER FORGET A PILL!!!!


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you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
BTW, did you not find the part on "natural" family planning to be overly religious? That was the only objectional part of the classes to me... here's some middle aged couple with 7 children telling us that NFP works and that it is the only acceptable way to practice birth control because any other method is interfearing in God's will... WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOD... IF IT'S HIS WILL HE CAN FIND A WAY TO BREAK THE CONDOM OR MAKE HER FORGET A PILL!!!!


Actually, we never got into that.
The course we took was actually run by a Social Services Counselor of something like 25+ years.
Annulment was in the first 5 min. and that's the closest we ever got to do with the Catholic religion.
Guess I lucked out lol

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Moral Hazard
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quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
...do I burn in hell now?


For what, using other forms of birth control? Good news, there's an out! Absolution is given to anyone that confesses a sin, requests forgiveness and then abstains from said sin. So here's the plan; after your wife's overies are old and dried out so you no longer require birth control, confess the sin, ask for forgiveness, and stop employing birth control (which is a given at that point).... BAM, sin absolved... you're cool with the big JC! You just need to make sure you live that long otherwise Pergatory it is (birth control is a venial sin if I recall so no hell).


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you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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speaking of burning in hell...............

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...1&forumid=15&s=

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speaking of burning in hell...............

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...1&forumid=15&s=


Hahahaha, fucking genious

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