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Originally posted by shaolin_Z EDIT: You want your old job back Lira? * hint, hint *

I'd like to help, but I take long breaks way too often, reason why I ended up stepping down

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Originally posted by Lira Well, take Alisen Akti's questions as an indication that the kid did want to die. Why exactly do you think he would've wanted to know about death and suffering, days before his own death?

What are your referring to? Who's that?

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Originally posted by Lira It's often a defence mechanism to just consider them all "stupid" and ignore all the other possibilites behind a suicide. It surprised me, in the other thread, that they were suddenly labelled as being deprived of any intelligence, even though the article says nothing about it

I don't know. Most people are so stupid, especially kids, that it woudln't surprise me. Plus, parents have gotton worse with time over the last couple of generations or so IMO. So kids being a total mess doesn't surprise me eigther.

EDIT: One more thing, smart people make stupid decisions too, if they're in the right (or wrong rather) emotional state.

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Originally posted by Lira As they're entering social life more consciously, so to speak, they don't necessarily have the social biases against suicide as part of their worldview.

What?



Social biases? What ever happened to survival instinct?

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Originally posted by Lira Why? Wouldn't that mean these people were all stupid? Given their achievments, it's hard to believe it... :/

I've had the distinct (dis)pleasure to be 'raised' (mostly abandoned) by a mother who was a highly qualified doctor and a stepfather who was an engineer in computers and software, immensely experienced in those fields.
Both of them where complete dolts and bastards of human beings...
My ill-educated, dumb-ass that ditched high school at year 11 (bit before I turned 17) has more common sense in my little pinky finger than both of them combined. I wont even comment on how far my ignorant, stupid self's earnings outstripped them by a factor of four anually because neither could manage a pissup in a distillery.
Both of them I had to drag out of Trouble, with a capital 'T' on more than one occassion they had managed to mire themselves in because they really did have no solid grasp of reality. They lived in clouds and numbers with lofty ideals and no sense of what was happening around them or the consequences of their actions.

Sure, I cannot tell you the distance the earth is from the sun or how fast it spins around, heck I probably can't even quote you a famous philospher on demand. My spelling is appalling, my grammar a thing of legendary awfulness only matched by my school reports calling me a moron.

But I can tell you this, an IQ has very little to do with stupid behaviour unless its either at the really low or really high ends of the scale.

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Originally posted by Lilith My ill-educated, dumb-ass that ditched high school at year 11 (bit before I turned 17) has more common sense in my little pinky finger than both of them combined.

Formal education is seriously over rated, unless it's a sciences/engineering discipline. Those are alot harder to learn outside school, since competence requires alot of (often boring, sometimes which seems redundant) hard work (which is pretty f'ing hard sometimes, i.e. learning curve). I'd say you're alot more informed/educated/aware than atleast 80% to 85% of people with college degrees. Plus, if you want to learn history/goverment type stuff, school is not the place to do it. It's an indoctrination institution. The most indocrinated people are the upper/upper-middle class.

EDIT: That's in context of actual knowledge/understanding.

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
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Last edited by shaolin_Z on Jan-17-2007 at 13:04

I've got no real idea what my IQ is, I'm fairly certain that it's boarderline mentally retarded
Survival and independance from an early age does tend to add its own personality quirks too, some of those learning experiences involve not poking bitey animals with sticks, playing with things that burn and jumping off things with a rope around your neck after you saw it on TV...

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Originally posted by Lilith I've got no real idea what my IQ is, I'm fairly certain that it's boarderline mentally retarded Survival and independance from an early age does tend to add its own personality quirks too, some of those learning experiences involve not poking bitey animals with sticks, playing with things that burn and jumping off things with a rope around your neck after you saw it on TV...

In all seriousness, I'm pretty sure it's fairly high, along with your EQ.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller