huh, intelligent

dude, we are talking about hardness not intelligence. intelligence is a different thing and should be discussed in another thread

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So you've expressed your view of the difference between techno and trance.

I'm still genuinely interested how you measure the "hardness" of a tune.

Somehow, me thinks that u just want to catch me on using the meanings of 'hard'

Anywayzzzz, if u r talking about the mass.... yes, It's MASS that counts, and i think i already answered your question in my previous reply.

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hard trance is meant to be massive, but it's not meant to knock the shit out of your head so u lose your ability not only to feel but also to think... which is THE MAIN PURPOSE OF HARD TECHNO .... ...solid base that'll make your ears bleed just due to its extreme pressure on your hearing. Hard techno takes your brain out and passes it through the meat grinder

That's all about mass. That's all about pressure on your hearing. That's all about how dangerous a track is to your ears.

...when u want to reduce the volume because that track is too noisy for u - that's what 'hard' stands for.

.period.

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i totally agree with USSR Junkie, he knows his shit about techno

btw Junkie, i pm'ed you to tell me the first track of Mauro Picotto's Innercity set! and its taking you forever to reply?

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I'm sorry, bluE_Neon
I'm in the middle of the process of finding it out... i've already e-mailed BXR with that question but they haven't replied yet. Just give me some time plz...i'm also interested in getting the name of that track

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They're entertaining metaphors, but I think any music can damage your hearing if played loud enough.

Are you saying that when you play hard trance and hard techno at the same volume on a pair of speakers, the techno will put the speakers under more pressure?

I'm not trying to catch you out, this is something which has baffled me for some time. I know what people mean by "hard trance", but when it comes to comparing genres of music, I find it difficult to define "hardness".

junkie i was wondering how is the hard techno like you described diffrent to something like darkcore/gabber? is techno slower and a little bit more repetitive?

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Originally posted by USSR Junkie I would say yes and no... Gabber and, in my view, any other hardcore subgenres are much more primitive than techno. Why does Hardcore sound hard? Mostly because of the distorted drums and (often) *speed* that it has. If u actually listen to a gabber track, u will not hear too many samples and special effects... it is just heavy drums, some hoovers maybe, angry bassline and 180bpm - 250bpm - 300bpm - 400bpm (whadaya call it, Doomcore??). Some speedcore trax i heard only had drum samples and that's it.... only drum-machines were in the action... and it was too damn fast to me, i even had to turn that crap off... hard but too primitive Hard Techno *usually* doesn't use distorted drums that sound really hard and, sometimes, silly; instead it makes use of special stereo effects such as using sound samples that are really weird and that sound like they-don't-belong-to-this-place and also hard "friable" bassline. Even hard TRIBAL techno sounds massive because of the extreme use of different snares and frequent break-off's, and not because drums are heavy. That's what i love in techno - it can sound really hard and offensive without actual use of distorted drums, excessive speed (160 and above), and other "hardcore" elements.

o ok. thanks for clearing that up.

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Where to get this damn mix now?

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Originally posted by kurai Where to get this damn mix now?

Hehe thats what i was thinkin! pllllllllease can any1 help wiv the space?

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