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Originally posted by Inconspicuous subsequent? Indeed. It would be. It's also not to say it's strictly either-or, though. There are good foster homes and bad same-sex relationships, as well. The point remains, though. Carry on.

Well yes, it was my subsequent post to the one you quoted. It was also my most previous post in the thread. Thanks for the semantics lesson though.

How many individuals have grown up without a father figure? Single mothers are everywhere in middle class America, and their children grow up fine if they see their father once a week.. month.. year.. or maybe never at all. The whole "Mother-Father" argument is real shit.

Whenever you have two parents, there is always the strict one, and the lenient one. The same sex couples take those roles. The kid will be fine, and I doubt the parents would try and push him to be gay.

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Originally posted by UWM Thanks for the semantics lesson though.

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Originally posted by UWM Well then I guess my quote in my previous post: is more relevant to the topic.

If same sex couples can be caring and loving towards an adopted child and bring them up well, then that would be great, and especially if the couple can successfully play the roles of both a mother and father and in some way prevent the child from any hassle.

The reason why I was concerned about the child's wellbeing is that bullying is a big issue in the UK, more kids are being attacked and stabbed even for no apparent reason. ASBO familys are quite common too, especially in Scotland (where I stay and especially where I grew up). I've heard and even knew families that were bad to their kids and felt that the kid didn't deserve such a life and that social services should've took more action on the parents.

I'm still firm-minded with the mother-father issue but as I said, if gay couples can play the roles and if also society where more tolerant with the issue, then I have nothing against it.

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Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan There are plenty of decent childless couples out who are unable to conceive children who should adopt. Shipping a kid off to a same sex union is setting a child up for a hard time. Imagine on parents evening or picking the kid up at the school gates. If kids were educated properly and told to be responsible for their actions we wouldn't even have this adoption debate.

no, if society was educated properly and a little more accepting of gay couples, then it wouldn't be an issue for the children who are adopted into gay families

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

I once knew a doctor who told me a story about his opinion on gay parents and homosexuality.

When he was 11, he lived with his mother and her partner in Texas. The kids at the school knew he had lesbians for parents, and often stigmatised him, calling his mom a dyke and mexican carpet muncher. Despite it all, he was a pretty normal, straight kid. One day at the bus stop, two older kids he didn't know kicked the shit out of him. He lost several teeth and nearly died, spending a couple weeks in the hospital.

Whenever he's asked about homosexuality and related issues, he just smiles with the jaw that took years of dental work to correct. It doesn't even make sense to him as an issue, that something so irrevelent and personal could cause people to hate, maim, and kill eachother.

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Originally posted by Masonious you win again dude - and nice move shoving the whole i figured out how to order pizza thing in my face. i tried that 4 and a half months ago and woke up with a Taiwanese transvestite but to Ygrene it's just, "anoother day in the life, noooo biggieee".

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Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan I agree with the point your making about Foster homes and I'm sure there is gay couples who'd raise children very well. I just think it's unfair on the child. They'd get it ripped out of them at school and given a really s*itty time.

It's up to the other kids then to be more openminded. As Slylee said, the real problem lies there.

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Originally posted by TOR It's up to the other kids then to be more openminded. As Slylee said, the real problem lies there.

yea but it's one of those things that isn't going to change. and if it does, it's going to take decades. so that's why i'm torn about the issue.

sure i'd rather see a kid go to a loving gay couple, as opposed to a fucked up hetero couple, but i wouldn't want the child to get teased all the time for it and maybe grow up to resent their "parents".


i think there should be a law that all gay couples who want to adopt have to live in areas like miami and san francisco where no one would think twice about it. lol

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

The argument that a same sex couple shouldn't be allowed to adopt on the grounds that they will not provide a balanced life to the child is a ridiculous statement.

Things will be different but heterosexual couples are far from always being shining examples of perfection. Also look at the divorce rates ... heterosexual couples most certainly don't value love or the well being of their children in many cases.

Also the basis that the child will suffer because of the perception has on him and his same sex parents is another lame point. Yes he may be the object of teasing from other people but this is all part of the change in society and these things will all fade away with time.
Gays, lesbians have been living out in the open for a very short time so it will take a certain number of years before they are fully accepted.

What is most important is that the child not be left without parents.
Gays and lesbians is a great new potential group of adopting parents because they will be less "demanding" about the child ( skin colour, age etc ).

Should a child not be allowed to live with someone who will cherish their presence and do everything they can to make sure the child will grow up in a loving environnement on the grounds that his parents aren't hetero?

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Originally posted by Slylee i think there should be a law that all gay couples who want to adopt have to live in areas like miami and san francisco where no one would think twice about it. lol

I don't think so. Culture changes through exposure, not through theory. How many kids who are Islamic do you think get mde fun of at their schools? How many of them do you think hate their parents and homeland for that?

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Originally posted by Masonious you win again dude - and nice move shoving the whole i figured out how to order pizza thing in my face. i tried that 4 and a half months ago and woke up with a Taiwanese transvestite but to Ygrene it's just, "anoother day in the life, noooo biggieee".

i was just kidding.

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone