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Your statement could be made about almost any circumstance of one group being discontent with another.

No, not really. Moralism is a symptom of very specific ideologies, usually "evangelistic" ones. It's probably most common among fundamentalist religions but isn't limited to them by any means.

Read for more.

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Originally posted by Demoted Well shoo', duo core processors already perform better than the human brain by being able to perform two different operations at the same time equally as well. Now they're coming out with quad core processors which can perform eight tasks at the same time. I have no Blue's fucking clue if that is in any way tied to neurally equal, but it does say something.

quantum computing isn't too far away either, and although i wouldn't guarantee it'll be here by 2020, i should probably buy some stock in one of the companies working in that field

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles No, not really. Moralism is a symptom of very specific ideologies, most often "evangelistic" ones. It's probably most common among fundamentalist religions but isn't limited to them by any means. Read for more.

I still believe deeply-founded political bias could/does easily sway into hypocrisy on some subtle level. There's probably many other circumstances as well that this falls under categorically, as it "isn't limited to them by any means".

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Originally posted by Psy-T his prediction for a computer 'neurally equal' to a human being in 2020 makes complete sense based on the history of computing.

The problem will be programming or evolving appropriate algorithms to simulate, mimic, or surpass human intelligence. It's much harder to put a time table on that than to put a time table on the development of faster processors.

Processor speed is pretty much already there anyway, and it has already allowed computers to surpass humans at pretty much all algorithmically simple and non-ambiguous tasks, which is cool. But bottom-up design, which has pretty much replaced the failed "programmed expert" model in futuristic AI hopes, is still in its infancy.

But it will come.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles But it will come.

...that's what she said.

Ok, yeah, I had to c0r this thread down a bit.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The problem will be programming or evolving appropriate algorithms to simulate, mimic, or surpass human intelligence. It's much harder to put a time table on that than to put a time table on the development of faster processors. Processor speed is pretty much already there anyway, and it has already allowed computers to surpass humans at pretty much all algorithmically simple and non-ambiguous tasks, which is cool. But bottom-up design, which has pretty much replaced the failed "programmed expert" model in futuristic AI hopes, is still in its infancy. But it will come.

all it takes is an unrestricted learning program, a good database, a way to acquire data beyond the database, and the ability to reprogram itself, and we're soon evolutionarily outdated.

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"Learning" is not so simple an operation as your statement makes it sound.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles "Learning" is not so simple an operation as your statement makes it sound.

that's why we're talking 2020 for an equal specimen (well, that and processing power)

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Of course, the best way to gauge progress on this is to ask things like, "What sort of AI do we have right now? Can it fool somebody into thinking that it is human, and for how long, and under what circumstances? What are the obstacles to making an AI that does a better job of this, and how long will each one of them take to overcome?"

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Of course, the best way to gauge progress on this is to ask things like, "What sort of AI do we have right now? Can it fool somebody into thinking that it is human, and for how long, and under what circumstances? What are the obstacles to making an AI that does a better job of this, and how long will each one of them take to overcome?"

a personalized Jabberwacky can pass the Turing test.

edit: the public Jabberwacky could easily pass for Xenocreator_PG_ on this forum, too.

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Even more so than Kurzweil's claims for superhuman AI, I am skeptical toward claims about the potential for increasing maximum human lifespan.

But then, how soon we achieve the second may depend on how soon we achieve the first.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Even more so than Kurzweil's claims for superhuman AI, I am skeptical toward claims about the potential for increasing maximum human lifespan. But then, how soon we achieve the second may depend on how soon we achieve the first.

yeah, i won't vouch for that part of his writings just yet either.

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