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Originally posted by ZeJayMan Real salvation lies in the fact theres going to be nothing after we die.

Was that supposed to be deep?

Because it fell way, WAY short of how cool you think it'd have sounded.

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Originally posted by Yan Was that supposed to be deep? Because it fell way, WAY short of how cool you think it'd have sounded.

And lex - I actually agree with you to a significant extent. But I have noticed that you are really quick to chime in with your opinion when anybody even mentions the prospect of a higher being or something that science has not particularly indicated yet - it's not so much your beliefs (of non-beliefs? I don't know you), it's just the way that you seem to fanatically share your opinions reminds me of the opposite end of the spectrum - televangelists. Just seems like the same method to me - attempting to change the minds of others is a very egotistical pursuit that I am not necessarily innocent of myself, but show a little inconsistency why don't ya?

There are no atheists in foxholes.

>.>;;

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On There are no atheists in foxholes.

I hope that was a joke.

If not, that would be disheartening, coming from somebody as intelligent as you seem to be.

The problem with afterlife claims is that there is no way to test them apart from just waiting until you die. Believing in them "just in case" makes little sense since quite a few religions claim very different things about what the afterlife is and how you can get a satisfactory outcome there. You can go ahead and just pick one, but how do you know that the one you pick is the true one until you have tested its claims about the afterlife?

There's a dilemma for ya.

The problem with religious claims like miracles is that there is no real way to tell whether they really happened since all of the big ones supposedly happened back in the day. A few people do claim that miracles happen now, but these people are nutty.

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Originally posted by Yan Was that supposed to be deep? Because it fell way, WAY short of how cool you think it'd have sounded.

It's not meant to be particularly deep. I'd rather not question anybody else's beliefs or morals I just prefer to think about the life i've got now rather than one there may be when I kick the bucket.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On There are no atheists in foxholes.

I believe that was more of an argument against foxholes than atheists.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I hope that was a joke. If not, that would be disheartening, coming from somebody as intelligent as you seem to be.

I meant it as a joke, yeah, but I dunno...

I kinda like it.

I am not sure that anybody here can attest to the reality of the horrors of war and conflict - certainly not I. But for people to say with certainty that there is no God, yet have never been in a situation where most people would consider that praying to him would do any good... I dunno - just doesn't set well with me.

Most people here have nice cushy jobs in western countries - they go on through their lives in "civilized" society and participate in the consumer stagnation of western commerce. They have no need for a God. That is not to say that people in the west are wholly atheist - quite the contrary, but I think that belief in a higher being or a 'better life' is a direct necessity for people who live in...say, war-torn Africa. Genocide and famine are very real elements in our world, and a lot of people (including myself) are quite insulated from their direct effects - but how do people cope with such horrible things in this world? How can they not believe that there is something worth surviving for - something worth praying for - somebody worth confessing your sorrows to as you hold the dead bodies of family members in your arms? Perhaps events such as these push people farther away from their belief in god - perhaps not. But how can people in comfortable police states criticize beliefs drawn from a necessity they have never experienced and probably never will?

Atheism may be "logical", but atheists worship logic and reason as though it were their God.

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I just hope there's trance in the afterlife

It's pretty simple. When reality sucks the most, when it's really not "working out," people turn to magic or imagination to solve their problems.

A life filled with starvation, fear, and anticipation of possible fights to the death or torture is not conducive to rational thought. Never has been, never will be. When some groups of lucky people stopped experiencing as much starvation, fear, and stress as past generations, they started conjecturing that maybe certain beliefs of the past were a form of escapism, people inventing another, far-off reality to dream and hope about when the more immediate one was crumbling around them. When hope in this world looks like a fool's proposition, most people either find or make some other place to put that hope in or they just give up and die.

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Originally posted by CrazedOut I just hope there's trance in the afterlife

No. It's all house.

Ambient seems more like afterlife music to me.

Afterhours > Afterlife

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