lots of good points in this thread, but they are all personal preference, that's what makes everyone who they are.
i like smoking, i'll smoke a couple times a day. but i hate cigarettes, they taste awful, they are bad for your body in too many ways to list, on the other hand (refer to the avatar), i like weed, i like the taste the smell the high. everything, even the burnout, cuz it helps me sleep. i don't NEED weed, i know this because i've gone for long periods of time without burnin (i mean weeks, not hours) and i don't feel the need to smoke like a nicotine addict. i will agree that alot of people smoke for the wrong reasons ie: to be cool, impress people, etc... but before you call me weakminded because i smoke bud, think of a reason that would back it up instead of just assuming i'm a basehead cuz my eyes are red, i'll probably still smoke bud when i'm fifty and my kids are asleep, cuz just like trance it's something i like to do.

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true, sayin that just because someone smokes weed often, lets say a few times a day, that they are weak minded is pretty rediculous. I myself smoke about twice a day on avg. and have never as a result been extra lazy or "burned out". I have never called out of work so i can smoke all day, and i do things as diligently as if i were sober all the time...It really comes down to the individual. Someone whos a moron or a burnout is just a stoned moron/burnout when they smoke. Its not like if these major "potheads" that ppl speak of were to quit weed, they would somehow turn into rocket scientists or something. Probably still be as "weak minded" as they were when they were burning all the time. Ne way, why even start this debate, esp. on a website about trance and clubbing?? not exactly the most morally spotless activity i dont think....besides, name 1 person you know that doesnt smoke cigs, drink coffe, smoke weed, drink alcohol, or do other drugs??? i cant name any and all of these things are drugs....trying to alter our consciousness with drugs or other "vices" are human nature whether u want to accept it or not. I just read in a NYC paper the other day that people were using drugs as long as 7-8000 years ago (chewing coca leaves to work in high altitudes, some other shit i cant remember what it was) And if u can really say that you are exempt from all of this, well then my friend you are a better person than me. Probably have a really dull, miserable life, but a better person nonetheless. My 2 cents.

Peace, keep em burnin'

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I believe it's like for beer, it all depends of the dosis you're used to take.

To be drunk makes you twat when you're wasted.

Many joints makes you vegetables when you're fuckin' high.

So believe me, i quit smoking and drinking to do E from time to time.

And it's way more enjoying, happy and i def' don't need anymore of this stuff mentionned above.

No trouble in waking up and no pb with alcool controls after disco.

No booze, no pot, be healthy "JUST DO E"
Cya'

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Originally posted by LoginZ No booze, no pot, be healthy "JUST DO E" Cya'

WHOA HO! i dont think thats what were getting at here. you can spout about dangers and damages without considering E too. just because it doesnt 'seem' dangerous doesnt mean its safe. E is a relatively new drug to the scene and has little research completed. most researchers say that it could possibly lead to holes in your brain. now i have rolled, and may do so again - but the prospects of that outcome always stay with me. sure it may not be true, but if it is do YOU want to find out?

i think pot is a little different from your average drug because:
a)its natural, sure so is tobacco, but there arent 400 other chemicals added to it to make it more addictive.
b)its not very addictive. people may choose to use it frequently but this is more of a preference than necessity.
c)you cant overdose. sure, you can still get cancer, but at least you have bongs to filter the smoke!

beyond that, its just one of the most stigmatized drugs out there. it seems strange that that all comes from the 20s when people thot it would make you a violent rapist...and at the end of it all:

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Originally posted by torontotrance Join the discussion.......

i would be interested to see what you think tta- assuming you feel like 'discussing'. late/

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Originally posted by torontotrance Join the discussion.......jddark and tta are at two different pts of view. I think smoking pot is for ppl who lack something in their lives and make it up with temporary pleasure. JDDARK believes that ppl who do it, just do it because they like it. So the argument ensues....your opinions please.

I think both of your opinions are right imo. People do indulge in things to satisfy or fulfill something within. People will also smoke pot, or drink alcohol just for the heck of it, either for fun, enjoyment, or because they are chillin with their buddies.

Personally i dont smoke weed or drugs or alcohol because it messes up your brain. There is proof of this, but im not going to go find it.

As for other people, they can do whatever they want in MODERATION.

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Originally posted by Dmatrox I think both of your opinions are right imo. People do indulge in things to satisfy or fulfill something within. People will also smoke pot, or drink alcohol just for the heck of it, either for fun, enjoyment, or because they are chillin with their buddies. Personally i dont smoke weed or drugs or alcohol because it messes up your brain. There is proof of this, but im not going to go find it. As for other people, they can do whatever they want in MODERATION.

Its cool that you choose not to do anything like alcohol,drugs,smoking etc... But I have to mention that alcohol in moderation is actually quite healthy for you.

It would take a fair bit of continuous weed smoking for quite a long time to really have any effect on your brain. The damage is so minute that its not something to be concerned about, it takes a long time for any noticeable damage to occur.

I just had to state that because people say "because it destroy's my brain" without really knowing why they say this.

Everything we do in life has consequences, if you eat certain foods you damage your heart, stomach, digestive system, etc... People use prescription medicines, over the counter meds and many of them are very harmfull.

We could stick to eating extremely healthy foods, breathe purified air, live in a house with padded walls, ceiling, etc...

But what fun is life if we can't enjoy it, people that never drink tell drinkers that they don't need it to have fun, but how do you know unless you try right?

I'm all for people not drinking and all that, honestly I can respect it, but strangely enough I only respect people that have tried drinking and decide its not for them

I know that sounds bad, but its with so many things in life, if you don't ever experience the thrills that life offers I think you are missing out.

But don't go out trying crack and heroin

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Yeah my main point is that we ALL indulge in something to pass time or make life more enjoyable in general. Just because you lack experience, are scared, or choose not to doesnt necessarily make it wrong for someone else...late/

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E is a bad drug with a good reputation.

Weed is a good drug with a bad reputation.


When I say that weed is a good drug, I don't mean that smoking it is healthy. Smoking anything is terribly unhealthy, but the beneficial compounds can be extracted using other methods.

I must agree with the argument that 'stoners' smoke it to pass the time. A friend of mine used to be a huge stoner until he started a job where he was working 50+ hours a week. The irony is, before, he had lots of time and no money because he smoked weed all the time, now he has no time and lots of money.

One of the more sinister effects of weed, though, is that it leads to other drugs. I believe that weed is often a gateway drug. I've seen it happen many times.

Overall though, everything in moderation.

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Originally posted by zarathustra E is a bad drug with a good reputation. Weed is a good drug with a bad reputation. When I say that weed is a good drug, I don't mean that smoking it is healthy. Smoking anything is terribly unhealthy, but the beneficial compounds can be extracted using other methods. I must agree with the argument that 'stoners' smoke it to pass the time. A friend of mine used to be a huge stoner until he started a job where he was working 50+ hours a week. The irony is, before, he had lots of time and no money because he smoked weed all the time, now he has no time and lots of money. One of the more sinister effects of weed, though, is that it leads to other drugs. I believe that weed is often a gateway drug. I've seen it happen many times. Overall though, everything in moderation.

Please don't say weed is a gateway drug, its just dumb logic. This is what was said in the 30's when the first drug czar blamed weed for heroin addicts.

Statistics constantly show that weed does not lead to hard drug use. If any of you have taken any science classes you'll know that you can't assume because water is drank by everyone that it leads to people drinking too much... There is NO logic to it.

A simple way to put it, have most heroin users used weed, yes. Did weed turn them into heroin, NO. Guaranteed people who went towards heroin or other hard drugs is because they are messed up to begin with, maybe alcholism etc...

But no way in hell is Weed a gateway drug, this is one of the oldest myths and we have loads of evidence done by the US government to show that to be false.

Just to make my point clear again, if I said alcohol was a gateway drug, would you agree? Hell no, but its very likely that anyone who does weed has drank before, same with heroin users.

I can't stand false logic, its very irritating.

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Originally posted by Thor A simple way to put it, have most heroin users used weed, yes. Did weed turn them into heroin, NO. Guaranteed people who went towards heroin or other hard drugs is because they are messed up to begin with, maybe alcholism etc... But no way in hell is Weed a gateway drug, this is one of the oldest myths and we have loads of evidence done by the US government to show that to be false. Just to make my point clear again, if I said alcohol was a gateway drug, would you agree? Hell no, but its very likely that anyone who does weed has drank before, same with heroin users. I can't stand false logic, its very irritating.

yeah nice point. i do think that in a small way, due to the govts classification of marijuana that it could be considered. by its being a Shedule 2(i think) drug in the US, and being criminally charged as seriously as more dangerous drugs is the problem. people that try pot, thot it was the devil, realize its not that bad - then try coke or heroin thinking that the govt was wrong about bud, so the other drugs arent bad at all! thats just my scheme that i concocted, likely while high. hoonaner/

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I remember in the Toronto Forum we had a good discussion RE: "E" but it got nuked in the website holocaust a few weeks back.
E is totally different subject altogether.
My thoughts are completely different when it comes to E.
Why?
I guess I'm a granola-head type in that I would trust something most grown out of the ground than something manufacurered by who knows who ie.some crackhead's basement who might like putting fillers in and God knows what else...
I dunno, maybe growing up in the mountains of B.C. being a forest child made me biased that way...

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Originally posted by torontotrance Join the discussion.......jddark and tta are at two different pts of view. I think smoking pot is for ppl who lack something in their lives and make it up with temporary pleasure. JDDARK believes that ppl who do it, just do it because they like it. So the argument ensues....your opinions please.

I personally think its for high school kids. But when I goto Amsterdam I usually smoke some hash. I dont see anything wrong with it or smokeng it, I just think its childish I have some friends that still smoke weed. Its been awhile since the last time I smoked... About.. a year ago