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There are so many VST's out there that I think sounds better than Vanguard!

Vanguard has more OSC's that most VSTs.. It has like 3 squares 3 saws... it also has some wickid unique filter types. good overdrive too.

Vanguard can't do bass? Vanguard is one of the best at bass IMO. EVERY patch has SHITLOADS of lowend that need to be highpassed out to be usable in a song at all.

Also I have to agree with the reverb. It only has one characteristic: Metallic. I played with the reverb for literally 5 seconds before I realised that and never turned it on again.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby You're missing the point. There is no "Sound". It's an engine that can create trillions of potential sounds. Got it? Good.

No offense now mate but I think you should read up a bit on how development of sound engines work before you state "facts".

Basicly all advanced sound engines (be it digital, analogue, VA etc.) has it's own "sound" that more or less is unique to that unit.
This basicly has to do with different components being used to assemble the unit.
This is something that has been derived on from real life units to computer based ones simply because people generally want it that way (I mean how fun would it be if all synths had filters, envelopes and oscilators that sounded just the same).

As for vanguard it's theoreticly true that it can create trillions of potential sounds but theese sounds will in practice have a special distinguishable sound that can be identified to the unit it's created from, in this case, vanguard.

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I'm not a big fan of Vanguard, I wouldn't call it horrible though. The last time I used it was for some gated white noise FX, it works well for that. The leads and pads aren't really suited for what I'm doing these days. I don't use the basses either, although maybe I should give them another look.

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I think the bass in Vanguard sounds great on a single note. But when doing note bass changes it becomes horrible in my opinion.

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Originally posted by Vizay No offense now mate but I think you should read up a bit on how development of sound engines work before you state "facts". Basicly all advanced sound engines (be it digital, analogue, VA etc.) has it's own "sound" that more or less is unique to that unit. This basicly has to do with different components being used to assemble the unit. This is something that has been derived on from real life units to computer based ones simply because people generally want it that way (I mean how fun would it be if all synths had filters, envelopes and oscilators that sounded just the same). As for vanguard it's theoreticly true that it can create trillions of potential sounds but theese sounds will in practice have a special distinguishable sound that can be identified to the unit it's created from, in this case, vanguard.

No offense taken: I know what a sound engine is, and I do software design for a living.

I understand that there are characteristics to any given sound engine, based on the algorithms and waveforms.

But how can you possibly say that you know everything a synth has to offer? There are an almost infinite number of potentials that can tapped into, especially as the number of features on a synth grows.

So you're trying to tell me that Vanguard's synth engine is "metallic" purely because of the reverb?

Give me a break. Think.

I never mentioned that its reverb is metallic. That's something you came up with. I think the synth itself (Inlcuding and exdluding the reverb) sounds metallic and weird. I just don't like the sound. I know (and how do you know by the way) quite well what Vanguard can offer. I did use it for a long time.

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Again, this is all my very own opinion. You may try to say it doesn't sound horrible and so on, but it won't change the way I think about its sound.

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Originally posted by AuxiliaryInput I never mentioned that its reverb is metallic. That's something you came up with. I think the synth itself (Inlcuding and exdluding the reverb) sounds metallic and weird. I just don't like the sound. I know (and how do you know by the way) quite well what Vanguard can offer. I did use it for a long time. EDIT: Again, this is all my very own opinion. You may try to say it doesn't sound horrible and so on, but it won't change the way I think about its sound.

lol.. and that's fine. Obviously its your opinion, and I've given mine, so yeah. That's that.

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Originally posted by Subtle I think the bass in Vanguard sounds great on a single note. But when doing note bass changes it becomes horrible in my opinion.

And what synth isn't like that? This is common when working with bass thats why you resample it so the eq settings stay when you change note..

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Here is a pad/lead I made with Vanguard. I think I really like the sound.

not bad at all!

id have to agree with shibby....vanguard is just fine..its a synth.. has some ocs.'s and filters....you can make whatever...synths might have characteristics but...it doesnt suck..if you cant make anything good with vanguard then even getting a virus or whatever wont help you.