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Originally posted by Jake Benson Didn't the US allow men to hit and abuse their wives just a bit over 100 years ago?

Just because it was consensus, doesn't make it right
And 145 years ago they where still keeping people as slaves, indeed it was quite formative to the US economy up until then, place like Saudi Arabia only made it formal in 1962, a country who is also extremely valuable to the US economy.
Another fact which is conveniently overlooked in US-Saudi relations due to the money, is their gross human rights record and treatment of over 50% of their population, the female population accorded very, very little citizens rights.
At it's basest of levels this kind of treatment for any western sympathy for muslim's is probably hamstrung by the fact that 50% of us really do not care to support nation states dominated by sharia law extremists where there is no female emancipation to the point where they are at least accorded equal rights and protection.

In my opinion the US invaded the wrong country in the middle east. If they really wanted to make a dent in the amount of muslim extremists after them, they should have gone after the Saudi's, not the poor bloody Iraqi's.
After all, it wasn't Iraqi's hijacking planes in the US.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Iam not fine with any beatings on a women. But it will happen anyways. Muslims are family oriented people compare to Westerners. If they have a strong family network than the less likely there will be spousal abuse. But if you are going to beat your wife than there is no reason why they can't be civil about it??

you are arguing for the side that is fine with beating women.

it's mind boggling that you don't seem to realize that the fact that some forms of beatings are socially and religiously acceptable leads to them being more prevalent.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid They could but the thing is. That the majority of males are stronger physically than their woman. Which would result in the woman being beaten for her fultile attempt at controlling her husband. Iam not fine with any beatings on a women. But it will happen anyways. Muslims are family oriented people compare to Westerners. If they have a strong family network than the less likely there will be spousal abuse. But if you are going to beat your wife than there is no reason why they can't be civil about it??

of course there's a reason

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Hahaha , this's happened under few certain conditions when u see ur wife after coming back from a travelwork sleeping with another guy, Sooo WAT a shock...

any man that hits a woman is shite
any religion that allows hitting of women is shite
any god that allows hitting of women is a big piece of shite
anyone that follows that god, is a stupid shite!

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Originally posted by LazFX any god that allows hitting of women is a big piece of shite

any god that lays down absolute laws rather than general laws is a big incompetent piece of shite

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Originally posted by LazFX any man that hits a woman is shite any religion that allows hitting of women is shite any god that allows hitting of women is a big piece of shite anyone that follows that god, is a stupid shite!

I guess that makes me a "peice of shite" then even though I've never hit a woman and never would. Having said that, if you really want to associate a crude label and judgmental outlook with a few other things, I think it would be fair to say that anyone who isn't loyal to his/her partner, cheats on his wife/husband, or other similar kind of self indulgent behaviour that breaks up families and forces kids to grow up in seperate households or a single parent qualify IMO. In such circumstances, most people usually blame one party or talk about ending up with the wrong person, when really, it has a lot more to do with not being satisfied with their partner or not satisfying them, and I'm not just talking about it in a sexual context. Relationships don't just work out on their own, it requires effort, compromise, and patience. The assupmtion here ofcourse is that you're in a serious relationship. Maintaining them also requires time and effort, something that pretty hard to do given the fast pace of life in the modern post indusrial world where most of us aren't much more than cogs in a machine, just trying to survive and stay out of debt. Okay, I'm really going on a tangent now. Point is, it's not like it's any more common there than anywhere else in the world, especially given the context of cultural/intellectual/social/political backwardsness/stagnation/progress/regression, take your pick, it's rather intellectually disingenuous to be that judgemental. Plus, it's not like other cultures don't find many aspect of our (Western) culture equally appaling. It may not be socially and culturally accepted in the West anymore but it still happends a lot. And it's not like it's considered to be a vitrue over there eigther you know.

And for the love of God, don't distort and misrepresent my post in to a rationalization condoing it.

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I guess I should add that if there were comparable social, cultural, political, and economic circumstances then there would be some justification for being judgmental. There's a lot of variables that ways of life are derivative of. And like I said, it's not like it's not looked down upon there eigther, which the exception of some really backward pockets of more isolated and usually rural social sub-units here and there. There are some major exceptions ofcourse, like Saudi Arabia, at least on paper.

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Originally posted by Lilith Just because it was consensus, doesn't make it right

I wasn't saying it was right. I was trying to say that wife beating isn't a phenomenon restricted to Muslim cultures.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson I wasn't saying it was right. I was trying to say that wife beating isn't a phenomenon restricted to Muslim cultures.

Ain't that the truth,,,, Hispanics causing Panic... I know plenty of them....... thank the gods that my parents raised me correct. Cause its in that culture, big time. sad really, one of my sisters was beaten..... while she was preggers, boy was born with a fractured shoulder blade. so that when he was born, they had to rebreak his bone in order to make it grow correctly....

But the issue here is a religion that allows this type of shit to be preached by its leaders...... oh wait, this is the same religion that has yet to speak as one voice and demand that thier religion be taken back from the whackos that kill innocents in the name of thier god.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson I wasn't saying it was right. I was trying to say that wife beating isn't a phenomenon restricted to Muslim cultures.

I said it in the first post I put in this thread.

Is beating frequent in homosexual relationships?