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Originally posted by trancey_spacer I know a similar topic has been debated, with some ppl trying to run remix competitions without giving the midi, but i'm wondering, do most professional remixers work out the notation by themselves? Won't it take the original artist like 2 seconds to provide the midi? Ofcourse the obvious example is non electronic music which isn't sequenced. Then providing a midi becomes tad harder. However, can most professional remixers just work it out themselves? And whats a good strategy to work out the notation on your own? 1. Working out the scale 2. using a trial an error technique with the audible progressions within the scale to eventually come to the final notation?? Is this it? Thanks for the help!

I always pick it out myself, and thats how I like it, grabbing midi means I'm mimicking the original track, and I personally want to lay down my own stuff to get it sound the way I want it.

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Originally posted by SMC Many times there can be complicated melodies with loads of rich chords all wrapped in with effects, evolving sounds and delays going all over the place. Sure one can more or less always figure out how the thing is played, but even a trained ear can miss a note or two in a five-key chord or something. And such subtle nuances can actually be quite important. So i don't see anything wrong with wanting a midi.

Actually, this is a good point.

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Originally posted by SMC Many times there can be complicated melodies with loads of rich chords all wrapped in with effects, evolving sounds and delays going all over the place. Sure one can more or less always figure out how the thing is played, but even a trained ear can miss a note or two in a five-key chord or something. And such subtle nuances can actually be quite important. So i don't see anything wrong with wanting a midi.

If a note is that important, then it's unlikely it would be missed by a trained ear.

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex If a note is that important, then it's unlikely it would be missed by a trained ear.

Given the complexity of sound and of music, I wouldn't make such a statement. A single note, isolated, may not be that important. However the whole it helps to constitute may be. It's the formula that is important.

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Originally posted by SMC Given the complexity of sound and of music, I wouldn't make such a statement. A single note, isolated, may not be that important. However the whole it helps to constitute may be. It's the formula that is important.

exactly the point i was trying to help.... btw its not a matter of not being able to do it by ear its the fact that sometimes when your just toying around you really dont feel like doing it by ear atleast. for the record ive been playing string instruments since i was 5 so i know a little thing or two about music and the way it works and how to write it. i will be the first to admit that if a midid isnt giving you what you want then listen and make what you want as a midi is only as good as the person who made it and you might accutally be better. i know with lots of midis i end up changing the note alots becuase they flat our just arent right and someones wrote in a note when really it was a mere pitch bend to jump to the next note or so.

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Originally posted by SMC Given the complexity of sound and of music, I wouldn't make such a statement. A single note, isolated, may not be that important. However the whole it helps to constitute may be. It's the formula that is important.

What you're saying is logical but it isn't true. My brother could always replay on the piano anything you threw at him (assuming that it wasn't a major technical feat - just speaking in terms of sound recognition here). Including chords with 5 or 6 or 7 or 8 notes. I probably couldn't from hearing it just once, but give me a few repetitions and I can probably figure it out.

The exception to that is jazz - I have a hard time recognizing those chords because I've never learned jazz or played it, nor do I have any understanding of the chords used in it. For that same reason, I don't expect to be able to produce it or do a good job remixing it.

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Originally posted by DigiNut What you're saying is logical but it isn't true. My brother could always replay on the piano anything you threw at him (assuming that it wasn't a major technical feat - just speaking in terms of sound recognition here). Including chords with 5 or 6 or 7 or 8 notes. I probably couldn't from hearing it just once, but give me a few repetitions and I can probably figure it out. The exception to that is jazz - I have a hard time recognizing those chords because I've never learned jazz or played it, nor do I have any understanding of the chords used in it. For that same reason, I don't expect to be able to produce it or do a good job remixing it.

I guess there are degrees of "trained ear". And then i was talking music in general, and as you point out yourself there is music one might not understand.

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Originally posted by SMC Given the complexity of sound and of music, I wouldn't make such a statement. A single note, isolated, may not be that important. However the whole it helps to constitute may be. It's the formula that is important.

Dude, this is Trance. Its not harmonically or rythymically complex.

And yes you can transcribe tunes by ear with no assistance. I've been tabulating songs for years and I figured out The Smiths - Back to the Hold House, note for note by ear.

It isn't difficult.