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Originally posted by Stanza The only music think is deveil's music is death metal. U've got the guy screaming his lungs about about glorifying Satan and preaching about mass destruction.

tssss, don't make remarks you base on stereotyping, but on facts pleaz!!

ok, I know, ALOT of this stuff usually does glorify the little red dude....

but also here: if you read some of the lyrics (do they actually 'sing' something?? yes they do )you find out that some bands prais God.... okay, it may seem a little strange to you, but it is the truth!! and some of 'em are truly believers in God and have there own (strange) way of expressing that!

anywayz: don't stereotype everything man! everyone...(woops, now I am stereotyping)... ALOT of people do that to trance as well.. don't make that mistake yourself...

greetz!

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Originally posted by G K Murray Hahaha, funny post this is!! My da describes it as DISH DISH DISH DISH DISH MUSIC!! I fuckin hate it when he describes it as this, i could fuckin twat the **** when he does that sound! AHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!

haha... reminds me of what my uncle says about trance... " you're listening to that cleanning the streets music again."

supposedly it sounds like people cleanning the streets with brooms water so on...

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i agree with the others who think that your dad is just really concerned with drug use and maybe he can't express his feelings any other way. the way the media has painted the whole rave/club scene is that if you listen to this music, then you do take drugs. that's why he may come to the media-fed logical conclusion that trance is devil's music when it really isn't that at all. explain to your dad that spinning trance music actually reduces your drug use and i think that he may change his mind about the music. right now he just doesn't know how to deal with the situation. i'm sure your dad only wants what's best for you.

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Originally posted by davinox there are crazy christians all over the place. i'm sorry your dad is one of them. tell him this country has freedom of religion, and you can practice whatever religion you want. and that even if you want to be christian, there is absolutely nothing demonic about any music. it does not say anything about music in the bible, nor has ANY pastor preached against it, it is only the crazy christians who are insecure with themselves and their beliefs that are this way.

OK I am really starting to hate these forums...dude...I know you hate Christians, this I know, but the derogatory remarks you make are not cool and are an extreme stereotype...the same as judging one based on their sexual orientation, race, creed, color all that. It ain't cool and it ain't an educated remark. Being Christian does not make someone crazy or whatever, aperson who is overzealous can be so without being Christian, such as yourself. You are an overzealous atheist. Relax with the bullshit comments, the kids dad is reading to much into it and thats it...the religion is irrelevant at this iscussion. Read one of my other posts about why I like this music...because its a universal music that allows anyone to enjoy it without having to follow a certain beleif system or culture. If you like rap and agree with the musics message, you have to agree with or desire in your heart, killing people, stealing money, fucking every bitch in site and generally being a lazy useless part of society (for the most part...not all tracks but the general message is that). I don't and find I can't listen to it because I get sickened hearing the same bullshit all the time. With trance, I can be Christian, you can be atheist, another can be Jewish, another can be gay, another straight, another can use drugs another can abstain from mind-altering substances. Its just beats and synths...

I can't understan how you have to offend so many people with every one of your damn posts.

He will see the light in the track Electrique Boutique - Revelation (Ferry Corsten remix)

if that doesnt change his opinion nothing will!

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Originally posted by Lazgti OK I am really starting to hate these forums...dude...I know you hate Christians, this I know, but the derogatory remarks you make are not cool and are an extreme stereotype.... I can't understan how you have to offend so many people with every one of your damn posts.

I wouldn't be that harsh, especially to davinox... he may be an atheist but I don't think he really meant to offend christians in his post. If he did, there would have been some flaming going on in that yates thread, but we managed to have a good debate.

"there are crazy christians all over the place... it is only the crazy christians who are insecure with themselves and their beliefs that are this way"... it really depends how you interpret that.

There are lots of crazy people... the fact that they're christian is irrelevant.

Lazgti.. OMG, you are such a hypocrit!!! talking aobut sterotypes and then you make those comments about rap music.. and how the heck are your comments "educated"?? they sound pretty opinionated to me

seriously man.. loose the tude!

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Randomboy...I don't think you understood my point...

I don't like to listen to shit...if an idiot is going to rap about how hard ghetto life is and how it is better to pop caps in the ass of some sucka to steal his dough, (and yes there is alot of this tude in the music...it is the music's culture)...then I...key word I am not going to listen to it...because I don't agree with that at all. Its like me agreeing the sky is red when it in fact is blue...or I beleive it to be blue...whether the rap artist is a killer and a theif or not is irrelevant the message he/she puts out is in fact that message...so I can choose not to listen...I don't tell people not to listen to it...I DON'T STAND FOR IT SO WHY SHOULD I LISTEN TO IT...I, ME, MYSELF...how the hell is that a stereotype.

Quite frankly all I have been seeing in the damn chillout section is anti-Christian posts based on stereotypes. I just made a comment based on the music I have heard and have decided for myself (not for you, not for anyone on this board or elsewhere...) that I do not want to listen to. My point was alluding to trance music being universal in the sense that 10 different people can listen to it yet all have different lifestyles, beleifs, etc. Maybe I am having difficulty articulating, but the point I am making is that noone has to conform to a certain culture to listen to trance, where as you do if you want to truly appreciate rap. Anyone can listen to it, but to respect the lyrics etc. you have to somewhat accept the meaning behind them...thats not a stereotype thats what it is...what do people listen to hip-hop for man...the beat only...the music itself is incidental, the primary is the vocals and the lyrics. In that case these lyrics DO have impact and influence on people and the point I make, I CHOOSE not to be influenced because I do not stand for that message or group of differing nonsense messages...thats it.

Anyways, I find it hard to beleive I am getting dissed here because I took offence to the thirty millionth anti-Christian post in here.

I have no personal problem with anybody here because quite frankly I don't know anyone here from a hole in the ground...but I am sick of seeing the same shit being posted. I find it ridiculous that we all take stands for stupid shit like DJ flaming, or whatever, yet we allow people to just write all sorts of crap in connection with ones religious beliefs. Its stupid...someone disses PvD or in my case I make my opinion about rap vocal and I get killed yet, when there are posts basically saying that Christians are idiots and their beliefs are screwed up etc. thats OK...thats pretty stupid if you ask me

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Originally posted by Lazgti Quite frankly all I have been seeing in the damn chillout section is anti-Christian posts based on stereotypes. Anyways, I find it hard to beleive I am getting dissed here because I took offence to the thirty millionth anti-Christian post in here. I find it ridiculous that we all take stands for stupid shit like DJ flaming, or whatever, yet we allow people to just write all sorts of crap in connection with ones religious beliefs. Its stupid...someone disses PvD or in my case I make my opinion about rap vocal and I get killed yet, when there are posts basically saying that Christians are idiots and their beliefs are screwed up etc. thats OK...thats pretty stupid if you ask me

Excellent post Lazgti I think it just proves that not many people really care about God.

Hey Robby, is it just me, or are you and I the only really passive people here?? Maybe not passive, but reasonable.. hmm i dont know how to put it.. anyways, I hate it when people post shit like "Oakey sucks" and that anti-religion shit. Yes, youre all entitled to your opinion, and its ok if you can back it up with some reasonable facts, but just blindly stating shit like that is really stupid and someday you gonna get fucked for making blind statements like those.

BTW this is not to anyone in particular here, just an observation from over the last few months.

Later
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Originally posted by Lazgti OK I am really starting to hate these forums...dude...I know you hate Christians, this I know, but the derogatory remarks you make are not cool and are an extreme stereotype...the same as judging one based on their sexual orientation, race, creed, color all that. It ain't cool and it ain't an educated remark. Being Christian does not make someone crazy or whatever, aperson who is overzealous can be so without being Christian, such as yourself. You are an overzealous atheist. Relax with the bullshit comments, the kids dad is reading to much into it and thats it...the religion is irrelevant at this iscussion. Read one of my other posts about why I like this music...because its a universal music that allows anyone to enjoy it without having to follow a certain beleif system or culture. If you like rap and agree with the musics message, you have to agree with or desire in your heart, killing people, stealing money, fucking every bitch in site and generally being a lazy useless part of society (for the most part...not all tracks but the general message is that). I don't and find I can't listen to it because I get sickened hearing the same bullshit all the time. With trance, I can be Christian, you can be atheist, another can be Jewish, another can be gay, another straight, another can use drugs another can abstain from mind-altering substances. Its just beats and synths... I can't understan how you have to offend so many people with every one of your damn posts.

hmm...well...i was only talking about the crazy ones with little grasp on reality. (the ones who become paranoid about hell, like the dad seems)

real, pure christians i have alot of respect for. in fact, their beliefs are just as justified as mine... (even though i still think they are wrong, we are on opposite sides of the same circle and both logical)

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