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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Really? What about the Greeks? Borders are hardly a 'new' thing And sorry but you can't blame Bush for that...

are you stupid? don't know Bush is the descendant Genghis Khan and Hitler?

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Originally posted by Cyrus King i listen to trance becuase it is beautifully composed like a classical piece of music.... but with beats in it...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid hey that wasn't so bad. I mean at least they didn't shoot him and then stick their fingers in his wounds. That would have been bad and this wouldn't have happened had he not thrown rocks at them. His fault.

JESUS
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The WHOLE MASS MEDIA 'll f**k them immediately

but do u know why not inthis case:Aparthide & Discrimination

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Originally posted by Krypton Not Israelian, but "ISRAELI". Blown up body parts in the middle of a crowded city street isn't funny either.

Aparthide & Discrimination when
they eager ur body violantly as a human sheild of them

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Human Rights Council Report Human Rights in the Palestinian Territories From The Voltairenet Non Aligned Press Network

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UN:Israel must stop discrimination against Arabs, Palestinians http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/835392.html

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Oh please, not that horseshit propaganda again. MAJORITY OF THE NON-WESTERN WORLD WAS NEVER DIVIDED INTO NATION STATES AND THE BORDERS WERE DRAWN UP BY BRITISH, SPANISH, AND FRENCH COLONISTS! I GUESS THE ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD IS THE POPERTY OF THREE STATES THEN?!?! THE JEWS WERE EXILED BY THE BYZANTINIANS AND ROMANS, NOT THE ARAB WHO'D ALWAYS BEEN IN THE REGION HISTORICALLY KNOWN AS ISRAEL/PALESTINE, BEFORE AND AFTER THE JEWS WERE EXILED! Oh, and great source there LOL .

Merely criticizing a source of information is not a legitimate argument proving it false. I could laugh at the extremely bias Palestine.org, but I know there is some truth in what is written on that site.

The article I quoted states the following arguments:

1. The land of Israel was originally occupied by Philistines. Philistines and Palestinians are not the same people. There are no Philistines alive today. Therefore, the oldest people to claim Israel as an ancestoral homeland are the Jews.

2. Palestinians have never governed themselves on this land until Arafat (who was Egyptian). This argument is not limiting itself to the post-colonization by Europeans, but dating back forever. I know your little map only goes back to 1946, but try digging further back in history. If the article is wrong, who were the kings / rulers of Palestine?

Lastly, I'll end with a fact embraced by Arabs. Arabs are descendants of Ishmael, son of Abraham, so they are all Hebrew.

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Originally posted by spiflicated Merely criticizing a source of information is not a legitimate argument proving it false. I could laugh at the extremely bias Palestine.org, but I know there is some truth in what is written on that site. The article I quoted states the following arguments: 1. The land of Israel was originally occupied by Philistines. Philistines and Palestinians are not the same people. There are no Philistines alive today. Therefore, the oldest people to claim Israel as an ancestoral homeland are the Jews. 2. Palestinians have never governed themselves on this land until Arafat (who was Egyptian). This argument is not limiting itself to the post-colonization by Europeans, but dating back forever. I know your little map only goes back to 1946, but try digging further back in history. If the article is wrong, who were the kings / rulers of Palestine? Lastly, I'll end with a fact embraced by Arabs. Arabs are descendants of Ishmael, son of Abraham, so they are all Hebrew.

2. Arafat was the child of two palestinian parents, he was born in Cairo but he was not Egyptian. Get your facts straight.

3. That's why it's called semitic. But that doesn't add to your other arguments.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 2. Arafat was the child of two palestinian parents, he was born in Cairo but he was not Egyptian. Get your facts straight.

You're right, and that is something the article I quoted left out. While Arafat was an Egyptian citizen, his parents were Palestinian.

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3. That's why it's called semitic. But that doesn't add to your other arguments.

That was the only comment that was mine. It was a half-hearted attempt at, "Can't we all just get along?" Not really part of the argument.

Edit - which is why I did not have a point number "3" in the previous post. Just a little sarcasm.

Clearly there is disputed ownership here. The right thing to do would be to split the land down the middle, but that will never happen until Palestinians show they can be peaceful. Every time a suicide bomber or a rocket kills Israelis, the Palestinians dig their hole deeper. I'm saying this from the perspective of a Jew, I know this is how many Jews think. You might disagree with the logic here, but it is still the case. If Palestinians want 1/2 of Israel instead of the minute percentage they now posses, they need to be peaceful, simple as that. Even then it will take many years, maybe decades, to get that 1/2 of Israel, can they be that patient? Can they not resort to violence? I realize there are atrocities on both sides, but those must be ignored by people who want to progress forward. Not all Palestinians are suicide bombers, not all Israelis are racial profiling warmongers.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

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Originally posted by M.Johan JESUS if this happened in ur country The WHOLE MASS MEDIA 'll f**k them immediately but do u know why not inthis case:Aparthide & Discrimination Aparthide & Discrimination when they eager ur body violantly as a human sheild of them

??? AND ??? What's your point?

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Then they are going to fight over who gets which half.

I agree with you Dopey, to some extent. However, Arafat was offered the best deal, with the most amount of land ever offered by Israel. Which, to appease the militant Palestinians, he rejected, as it did not include the right of return. Israel will never include the right of return in any agreement with the Palestinians. And this is a big reason why Palestinians continue to refuse to accept land for peace deals.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Did you have the same reaction when Nazi'a were persecuting the Jews, Socialists, Communists, political dissenters, Gypsies, or any non-aryan non-comformist?

I'd hit the teen too if he was throwing stones in my direction.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson I'd hit the teen too if he was throwing stones in my direction.

Jesus that is what i said. These liberal punks don't know sh!t.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson I'd hit the teen too if he was throwing stones in my direction.

Although, it is kind of funny every time you see some Palestinian kid throwing rocks at an Israeli tank.

Still, I'd slap him, too.