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Originally posted by HardTranceProd You may think of Holland and the UK, for instance, as "cradles of trance", but in fact Hardstyle is immensely popular in both of these countries

Hardstyle isn't remotely popular in the UK.

Also the comment about Americans prodominantly going to clubs to socialise and hook up whilst in Europe people go to get fucked up and listen to the music is probably the main factor in this argument

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd This is a sufficiently interesting topic that I'd like to bump it up and get some more comments. It's funny because, if you think about sports for instance, Americans prefer a lot of "action" sports like football, and look down on soccer (European football) as too "soft" or too slow. But it's the opposite with music.

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Mericans in general also love baseball. Slow as fuuuuuuuuck, but i guess you can cancel that out with cricket or something... I dunno...

anyways, you can also see this type of opposite justification with movies. Mericans like the action, boom-boom guns and explosions. hell, it feels like we have a movie like that every other week! Whereas European movies are more mellow, less pyros in a way IMO. i bet they have their fare share of action movie as well, but not to the extent as us Americans. does anyone else see it this way????

deathcore

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Originally posted by Abhay Australias scene is mostly Hard Dance from my experience. Atleast in the cities I've lived in. Other than that, it's all commercial/poppy dance.

the hardstyle/hard dance scene is quite large in australia. melbourne goes hardstyle mainly, sydney does hardstyle but lots of people up there listen to gabber/hardcore/insert other hard stuff. queensland (brisbane) is a bit of everything i think (havent really been up there).

however by far the biggest scene is the electro house scene. think lots of dirty south, everywhere, every night. then multiply that by like 5 and you've got the majority of the scene down.

trance is fairly dead down here, monthly club parties in melb/sydney + big events (festivals). festivals always sell well though so its more that people enjoy trance a few times a year rather than week in week out.

definate focus on electro house though.

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Originally posted by sleepydragon deathcore

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA WTF?!?!?!!?!!?

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Originally posted by m1kest4r the hardstyle/hard dance scene is quite large in australia. melbourne goes hardstyle mainly, sydney does hardstyle but lots of people up there listen to gabber/hardcore/insert other hard stuff. queensland (brisbane) is a bit of everything i think (havent really been up there). however by far the biggest scene is the electro house scene. think lots of dirty south, everywhere, every night. then multiply that by like 5 and you've got the majority of the scene down. trance is fairly dead down here, monthly club parties in melb/sydney + big events (festivals). festivals always sell well though so its more that people enjoy trance a few times a year rather than week in week out. definate focus on electro house though.

Correct.

I'm ashamed that those scenes are big in Melbourne. Pretty much anything over 145 BPM is a load of shit, and shouldn't be classified as music, as it has no thought behind it, other than to be "hard".

It is my firm belief that if party drugs had never been invented, gabber, hardcore, hardstyle, speedcore and all those other rubbish "genres" would not exist either; they only evolved in response to drugged up people wanting to hear faster music.

Overdriven, square wave kick drums are pretty much the stupidest, most offensive sound I've ever heard.

Oh, and to top it all off, the DJ/Producer names are always ridiculous too; "Dj Fistf*ck", "Angerfist", "Bass Machine" etc.

*hides under flame proof blanket*

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Last edited by Domesticated on May-16-2007 at 05:45

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Originally posted by Beat Blog . Pretty much anything over 145 BPM is a load of shit, and shouldn't be classified as music, as it has no thought behind it, other than to be "hard".

except for psy / goa

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Pretty much anything over 145 BPM is a load of shit, and shouldn't be classified as music, as it has no thought behind it, other than to be "hard".

Well at least you're open minded and back up your arguments well.

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Originally posted by sleepydragon deathcore

Those guys... I pity them.

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Originally posted by superglo except for psy / goa

Yeah, psy/goa is ok.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Well at least you're open minded and back up your arguments well.

I am open minded. I've listened to a fair bit of hardcore and gabber, and been to a few club nights. Since then I've made up my mind that I don't like it.

My reasons are as I stated...the music has no thought or effort put into it. There is little complexity to most tracks and subtlety or drawn out builds seem to be discouraged. Plus, the overdriven kick drums drown out all the other elements in the track.

The fast tempo doesn't really bother me. I like Schranz techno up around 145-150, but that has complexity and decent melody.

Ever noticed that on ebay, a large proportion of the records for sale (probably around 80-90%) are Hardcore/Hardstyle/Gabber? The reason is because it's childish music that people soon grow out of and regret ever liking, except for a few weird individuals who carry it into adulthood.

But hey, like what you want to like. There are thousands of people around the world who hate what I listen to.

Just my $0.02.

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