Fate vs destiny

without looking in a dictionary...what do you think the difference is?? and if you believe in them, doesn't that sort of mean life 'is' somewhat predetermined??

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze So I'm sitting here chatting with my friends and we're trying to figure out if life has us all on our own paths and theres nothing you can do to change it? For example, everything you do is already predetermined by 'someone/something/some force' and even when you think you dodged it, you're still and always be on that magical path of determination. Then we can get into the argument of altering ones path in life, but then again, if life is actually predertmined, then 'altering' is just a false sense of hope? By the way im sober just incase you were wondering lol

Shouldn't you be studying for those 2 exams you have on Monday?

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Life, our creation, and the past before humans were on earth are topics no one will ever fully understand or truly figure out...ever, therefore no one needs to have any proof for what they believe. There are so many different explanations for just one to be right. Everyones opinion is just a way of explaining all this to themselves to have some kind of understanding of how things work, to bring some kind of comfort to themselves about life and our purpose etc

i dont believe life is pre-determined, and to people who do believe so i doubt any of them are saying its "someone", its just a force of some sort. once again, something we will never understand so back to my original comment, no one needs proof of what they believe because you will never get any.

i think if not every action of yours is pre-determined, it is possible that you have some sort of destiny out there for you, something each unique individual was put on this planet to do or accomplish, and it is your job to figure out what that is.
but that could all be determined by how much faith you have in yourself, how much of a change and positive difference you want to make in this world and how much of yourself you will give.
which is something that dosent have to be pre-determined, but decided upon your own choices which you make, but also could be seen as pre-determined if that is how you choose to perceive life.


too tired to check for grammar mistakes but i believe i got my point across lol

..ooops double post

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Originally posted by above'N'beyond Karma baby

Oh, u believe in that Carson Daly thing too huh

i dont believe everything is predetermined although i might believe parts of it are.

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Originally posted by oldschool420 I just don't believe in any kind of "superior being/force" or whatever you want to call it. You make your own choices in life, and create your own path. I do wonder how you think it could be predetermined, and have any proof that it could even be possible? I just don't buy it.

yup. what he said.

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Originally posted by oldschool420 You make your own choices in life, and create your own path.

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze So I'm sitting here chatting with my friends and we're trying to figure out if life has us all on our own paths and theres nothing you can do to change it? For example, everything you do is already predetermined by 'someone/something/some force' and even when you think you dodged it, you're still and always be on that magical path of determination. Then we can get into the argument of altering ones path in life, but then again, if life is actually predertmined, then 'altering' is just a false sense of hope? By the way im sober just incase you were wondering lol

nO and its all bs stupid girls tell each other to comfort themselves when stuff goes wrong in their lives.

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze strings theory anyone? its a really interesting theory that says that we live in a world of 11 dimensions yet we only see 3 of them because the rest overlap n such? and that there is an INFINITE number of universes that are all connected and we are all in them except we live "different lives" its fucked up stuff

String theory does not say any of this. Most of this is a purposed intpretation to what we believe MAY be a solution to the field eqautions of string theory.

In string theory 10 + 1 dimensions are what you need to naturally get the standard model as a low energy limit but there is no reason to demand this a priori.

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I'm not going to get into this debate.

But, last semester I took a 3rd yr course which was devoted entirely to the issue of free will. My course book has some extracts from the world's leading thinkers on this topic so I can give the name of the text if anyone wants it.

I'll just point out that the idea of some kind of determinism (whether hard or soft) is probably the majority view of academics today. In short: 1) if all processes of the universe are governed by causal necessity; 2) if human beings are part of nature; 3) then, human beings are also governed by causal necessity.

Anyways, anybody who is actually serious about looking into these issues and not interested in simply making uninformed, knee-jerk type comments ought to look into what authors like Pereboom, Ayer, Davidson, Chisholm, Frankfurt, Williams, and Van Inwagen suggest.