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Originally posted by digitul punk Oh and I choose to support the troops because I value human life.

so do you support the opposition's troops aswell?

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Originally posted by XaNaX No, because they don't have liberals waiting for them at home when they get off work to call them child killers or war criminals.

LOL, and why do you think that's the case?

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Originally posted by Psy-T so do you support the opposition's troops aswell?

I see the cause behind their struggle. Not everything is black and white in today's time.

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We're glorifying MURDERERS, and the need for MURDER.

There's no getting around that fact.

Because other people will willingly murder us, we have a direct need to create people in our society that are designed to commit mass murder.

It's completely fucked up in every way, because it's both tragic and seemingly necessary until we evolve a little farther along the cosmic scale.

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Originally posted by XaNaX Whatever. You say they are killing Iraqis, I say they are killing terrorists. Either way, they are fighting so that terrorist lovers like you and shaolin and hardcore can get on this board and post their terrorist loving propaganda. The least you can do is support the TROOPS THEMSELVES even if you don't agree with their mission. If you don't agree with their mission then it is YOUR job on election day to put in office people who will withdraw them. Its nice that you have the freedom to do that, isn't it. Freedom that the people of Iraq didn't have before the invasion. Now what you have over there are terrorists and extremists trying to destabilize the country and use public opinion at home to force an American withdrawal. At which point they can take over and do whatever they want in Iraq. I do agree that we never should have gone into Iraq. We as Americans tend to try and spread freedom and justice to people who do not value such things. We serve as the world's policemen, every country in the world talks shit about us until they get invaded and then its 'get the Americans in here to bail us out'. But now we are in Iraq and thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died trying to make that country free. Now is not the time to quit before the job is done.

You've obviously never seen a single declassified document in your life!!! LOL. "We as Americans tend to try and spread freedom and justice to people who do not value such things."

CIA trained/US backed death squads in:

Nicaragua - Contras
Iran - SAVAK
Honduras - Battalion 316 (amongst others)
El Salvador - No specific names

Those are just a few off the top of my head, you can find plenty more, not to mention all the CIA/US backed coup de atas of democraticaly elected goverments. LOL, talk about delusional.

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Originally posted by XaNaX Whatever. You say they are killing Iraqis, I say they are killing terrorists.

I didnt know Iraqis = Terrorists

but I mean hey they are all arabs so might as well.

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Either way, they are fighting so that terrorist lovers like you and shaolin and hardcore can get on this board and post their terrorist loving propaganda. The least you can do is support the TROOPS THEMSELVES even if you don't agree with their mission. If you don't agree with their mission then it is YOUR job on election day to put in office people who will withdraw them. Its nice that you have the freedom to do that, isn't it. Freedom that the people of Iraq didn't have before the invasion.

Iraq is a lost cause you retard and what the fuck is there to support?spreading so called democracy? lol fack off

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Now what you have over there are terrorists and extremists trying to destabilize the country and use public opinion at home to force an American withdrawal. At which point they can take over and do whatever they want in Iraq.

These so called terrorists of yours wouldnt stand a fuckin chance back in saddam days and boy oh boy look at them now,they are free to kill.Thanks America!!

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I do agree that we never should have gone into Iraq. We as Americans tend to try and spread freedom and justice to people who do not value such things. We serve as the world's policemen, every country in the world talks shit about us until they get invaded and then its 'get the Americans in here to bail us out'. But now we are in Iraq and thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died trying to make that country free. Now is not the time to quit before the job is done.

Get the fuck out of Iraq and stop wasting your money for a lost cause.It is done and over so let nature take its turn.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Get the fuck out of Iraq and stop wasting your money for a lost cause.It is done and over so let nature take its turn.

I love how you think the American soldiers are devils for accidental civilian deaths, but if you are an Iraqi and you strap yourself with TNT and deliberately blow up a market full of civilians you are a 'hero' or a 'freedom fighter'.

I never thought this day would come but I do finally agree with you about something. I fully agree that Iraq is a lost cause. Hell I'll say that the entire Middle East is a lost cause. But until we no longer need oil to power our cars we will have to be involved there. I look forward to the day when we can withdraw all our forces from the area and let nature take its course. Unfortunately nature would probably be a massive Arab attack on Israel followed by an equally massive Israeli nuclear retaliation.

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Originally posted by XaNaX I do agree that we never should have gone into Iraq. We as Americans tend to try and spread freedom and justice to people who do not value such things. We serve as the world's policemen, every country in the world talks shit about us until they get invaded and then its 'get the Americans in here to bail us out'. But now we are in Iraq and thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died trying to make that country free. Now is not the time to quit before the job is done.

Lol... freedom is something you can't spread. You along with the American government make it sound like a religion. No wonder America fights so many "wars".

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Originally posted by digitul punk Lol... freedom is something you can't spread. You along with the American government make it sound like a religion. No wonder America fights so many "wars".

Welcome to the new crusades! Believe or perish.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

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Originally posted by XaNaX I love how you think the American soldiers are devils for accidental civilian deaths, but if you are an Iraqi and you strap yourself with TNT and deliberately blow up a market full of civilians you are a 'hero' or a 'freedom fighter'.

Given, there are many terrorist operating inside Iraq that have no real political aim, other than indiscriminately kill. Some groups are what you would call 'freedom fighters' thought. Iraqi's against the american invasion. People that bomb american forces, not civilians. This lumping together you like to do is just maneuvering to cheapen the possibility of real discussion of the situation.

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I never thought this day would come but I do finally agree with you about something. I fully agree that Iraq is a lost cause. Hell I'll say that the entire Middle East is a lost cause. But until we no longer need oil to power our cars we will have to be involved there. I look forward to the day when we can withdraw all our forces from the area and let nature take its course. Unfortunately nature would probably be a massive Arab attack on Israel followed by an equally massive Israeli nuclear retaliation.

Oh you americans and your psychic powers! You have to be psychic, because if you were doing a rational analysis your 'if we withdraw' would be quite different. You forget that 'democracy and freedom' wasn't born overnight in the western world. It's also not uniform throught the 'democratic and free' western world. Each country has had many many years of struggle to fit the main ideals to their particular situations. Compare democracy in eastern europe, to democracy in northern europe, to democracy in the US, to democracy in Canada, to democracy in South America. Can you really tell me any of them are the same? No. They have to be fine tuned and accommodated to the people, to the circumstances. It has taken the US 300+ years to get were it is right now. You expect a whole region to just be 'like the US' overnight? How shortsighted do you have to be to believe that this would have even the remote chance of working? Things take time to work and the US has many a time reversed and endangered democratic processes in many places because it was not convinient for them. Now they want to make up all of the sudden for damage done by spreading some more 'democracy'? Your whole country suffers from serious delusions. Acknowledge reality, that this is not for the good of anyone other than the US, and things get alot easier to analyze and understand.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

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Originally posted by digitul punk Lol... freedom is something you can't spread. You along with the American government make it sound like a religion. No wonder America fights so many "wars".

Exactly. Unfortunately people here in the USA think you can. I have become a firm believer that freedom and democracy must come from within for people to appreciate it. When that particular country is ready for it, people will rise up and make it happen. When you try to make it happen before people are ready for it by removing a government, you get Iraq.