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Originally posted by Magnetonium For how many years have you been a member of Illuminati again? First, the 9/11 denials, now the human rights and constitution is too much ... man you are more dangerous than the Islamic radicals are.

there are plenty of flourishing democracies around the world that dont have personal rights reflected in an antiquated document that is incredibly difficult to keep modernised. so stop parading your ignorance.

and i would say democracy & freedom function far better in australia than they do in the US. gee, where's our patriot act?

so keep up the non sequitur arguments there mate.

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PKC, I'm pretty sure it was a joke and not meant to be taken seriously dude . Lighten up buddy, even though there'll be no love lost between you and Magnetonium .

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Originally posted by Q5echo something so random and tragic as this is very difficult reconcile with any one causation. and in the absence of any real facts in this other than a body count i can't say yet. what i've said earlier though i still stand by.

causation is largely irrelevant imo. you certainly cant try and analyse every single gun tragedy in the US for some kind of social pattern. but there is ONE common thread- the easily accessible modern killing tools.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN precisely. one is a far more effective killer than the other, hence putting your original comment into context.

right. i acknowledged the fact that he could have chosen a less effecient way to exact his homicidal narcicism or an even more effecient way. either way, to the victim or victims that made it out alive, it's very traumatic. but they have their lives.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z PKC, I'm pretty sure it was a joke and not meant to be taken seriously dude . Lighten up buddy, even though there'll be no love lost between you and Magnetonium .

its hard to tell with him he IS pretty crazy

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pkcRAISTLIN, Democratically speaking, things in Australia are far better than in USA. But lifting constitutional rights will not make people happier, free and more secure. Tyranny will follow and abuse. Dictatorship. People abuse power when they have too much of it. The school shooting is very terrible, but I am afraid it will be taken the wrong way. Those crazy dark forces within US government that want to take people's freedoms away will now have a bigger political tool to use in their campaign. Instead of fighting issues at hand, things will go the wrong bad way I think. I just cant believe that you said that post I quoted earlier. I cant believe it, really. You are crazy. Crazier than all the deniers on this forum, thats for sure.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium pkcRAISTLIN, Democratically speaking, things in Australia are far better than in USA. But lifting constitutional rights will not make people happier, free and more secure. Tyranny will follow and abuse. Dictatorship. People abuse power when they have too much of it. The school shooting is very terrible, but I am afraid it will be taken the wrong way. Those crazy dark forces within US government that want to take people's freedoms away will now have a bigger political tool to use in their campaign. Instead of fighting issues at hand, things will go the wrong bad way I think. I just cant believe that you said that post I quoted earlier. I cant believe it, really. You are crazy. Crazier than all the deniers on this forum, thats for sure.

im interested mate. these "crazy dark forces" that wish to take your freedoms away, whats their overall goal?

im not crazy. merely pointing out that democracies can and do function very well without a constitution that engenders inalienable rights such as the right to bare arms. and i really do fail to see what this amendment gives the american people other than incidents like this.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN causation is largely irrelevant imo. you certainly cant try and analyse every single gun tragedy in the US for some kind of social pattern. but there is ONE common thread- the easily accessible modern killing tools.

well, causation in this case would largely be irrelevant because the shooter offed himself.

it would be very hard for a jury to sentence someone for this without causation though. that would make your difference between attempted manslaughter or first degree murder

People who are insane and want to kill people will always find a way of doing it.

Australia's gun control laws did little to stop Port Arthur or Monash University, I might add.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono People who are insane and want to kill people will always find a way of doing it. Australia's gun control laws did little to stop Port Arthur or Monash University, I might add.

australia's laws changed markedly after port arthur. plus, thats one or two incidents. EVER. id say thats a pretty fucking big advantage.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono People who are insane and want to kill people will always find a way of doing it. Australia's gun control laws did little to stop Port Arthur or Monash University, I might add.

Exactly.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Exactly.

no, not "exactly". how many similar events have been prevented by our gun laws we'll never know. but because people can circumvent the law, is that reason to not have laws to begin with? people still speed despite laws curtailing speed limits, why have these limits at all huh?

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