Ferrys made non-crap? Are you sure?

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Originally posted by DeZmA If you own or have seen the virus TI in action I highly doubt there will ever be a new generation midi. Vst integration makes you wonder how you dealt with CC and sysex (especially the latter one) commands for all those years. I do believe that it will be implemented for years to come for compatibility reasons. In fact, with all the new fancy gear and synths these days, you can't understand how much crap music there is on the trance market (remember the old days with ferry corsten and mike for example before they decided to start making crap) - but that's another discussion -

Yeah, that's all good, but there's a limited market for VAs among professional producers. Most of them hunt down the classic synths for their unique sounds, whereas you can essentially swap out one VA for another, or for a computer. And all those classic synths use plain ordinary MIDI.

Yeah, I know, I'm going to get 71 TI owners jumping on me about how it's not just another VA. Whatever, you're entitled to your opinion. I'm just telling you, MIDI isn't going anywhere, and USB isn't going to replace it or even come close to matching it as a standard. USB doesn't even indicate any specific protocol - USB itself is a standard but the data you're sending back and forth to the TI is completely proprietary.

If any new standard takes hold, it will be precisely because it is 100% backwards compatible with MIDI. Same reason every new version of Windows has sold so well while OS X and all the Linux flavours are still relegated to obscurity.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Ferrys made non-crap? Are you sure?

Ferry rocked like hell.

And how can u sit there with a JP, and bash the "inventor" of the supersaw trance himself ?

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Originally posted by DigiNut Yeah, that's all good, but there's a limited market for VAs among professional producers. Most of them hunt down the classic synths for their unique sounds, whereas you can essentially swap out one VA for another, or for a computer. And all those classic synths use plain ordinary MIDI.

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I'd dare to say that there's not much on the market that combines the things the ti does. (being classic oscs, digital wavetables, unison saws, fm, graintable and formant). That makes it kinda unique in its own way.
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So why would you think the new analog synths will never implement vst or audio over usb, in addition to usb?

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Originally posted by DeZmA So why would you think the new analog synths will never implement vst or audio over usb, in addition to usb?

"Virtual Analog" is not "Analog". As far as I know, there aren't any new analog synthesizers. And as I thought I pointed out quite clearly in the last post, there's no such thing as "audio over USB"; the TI uses a proprietary protocol with proprietary drivers. A standalone hardware box can't just "implement VST" - it needs a way of interacting with the computer hardware first.

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Originally posted by DeZmA -offtopic- I'd dare to say that there's not much on the market that combines the things the ti does. (being classic oscs, digital wavetables, unison saws, fm, graintable and formant). That makes it kinda unique in its own way. -/offtopic- So why would you think the new analog synths will never implement vst or audio over usb, in addition to usb?

that sounds like about every virtual analog synth made in the last 10 years.

OSC has some potential...

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Moog is still making new analog synths, with the little phatty most recently so I was thinking that maybe they might combine the best of the two worlds someday. Don't know if that's possible or makes any sense since then basicly you'd have to convert the signal to digital first. You're the expert so I wouldn't know really but I would like to see the 2 worlds grow to each other.

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Originally posted by RichieV that sounds like about every virtual analog synth made in the last 10 years.

Sounds like someone who doesn't know anything about the synths that came out the last 10 years. None that I know implement all those types of synthesis. Sure roland had the supersaw, waldorf had the wavetables, yamaha had the fm synths and all other brands had the classic waveform synths, but none combined all the types.

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Originally posted by DeZmA @ Diginut, Moog is still making new analog synths, with the little phatty most recently so I was thinking that maybe they might combine the best of the two worlds someday. Don't know if that's possible or makes any sense since then basicly you'd have to convert the signal to digital first. You're the expert so I wouldn't know really but I would like to see the 2 worlds grow to each other. Sounds like someone who doesn't know anything about the synths that came out the last 10 years. None that I know implement all those types of synthesis. Sure roland had the supersaw, waldorf had the wavetables, yamaha had the fm synths and all other brands had the classic waveform synths, but none combined all the types.

Waldorf Q
Novation SuperNova
Andromeda
Nord Lead 3
Nord Modular
Korg MS2000
tons of vst synth

i mean what you described is pretty much bread and butter synthethis tools that pretty much every modern synth will have. Not that i don't think the virus is a nice synth , i own one but its a pretty stock synth with stock features. IT sounds great sure , but i don't think there is anything that peculiar about it that gives it the sort of sound that is unmistakenly virus sounding. Maybe maybe you are right about me not knowing anything.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Ferry isn't the inventor of the supersaw whether you put quotes around it or not.

Not really, but he is the mastermind behind the dutch supersaw trance, and one of the first to take usage of the JP`s famous waveform. So i suspect your just trying to be cool implying he never made anything good.

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i woudln't say he invented but i would agree that his use of it was what made it what it is today.