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Originally posted by Lilith No.. tut tut, don't sully the nest dear, it'll ruin your future career and ambitions in the party...

You know it's true.

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Originally posted by XaNaX Any ticket with Hillary on it is a loser, and if you pair Obama with her that would be the end of him for the '08 election.

Don't count out Clinton this early... but I'm still waiting for Gore to run.

How about a Gore/Edwards or Gore/Obama?

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Originally posted by Kapedan How about a Gore/Edwards or Gore/Obama?

I'm in for Gore/Edwards!

Edwards is not a serious Presidential candidate, seriously.

he'd make a fine running mate, and that should speak volumes towards his unseriousness.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Okay then what's your point? You said gay people aren't a religion or a race...and that means what? Your group of people are already protected under the constitution, because it falls under "ethnic/racial" groups. Therefore, you don't need extra lagislation. Gays/lesbians do because they have no protection. Yeah I get your point. That's the same reason why I'll probably vote for a Dem: because there's no single perfect candidate out there but at least the Dems don't hate on the gays. Do you care about anything else other than things about Palestine and your Muslim heritage? Because when I read in the PDD, that's all you seem to be talking about. In fact you're always making posts about Muslims and Palestinians. Jeez d00d, can you not understand a different minority group? Are you empathic, or just another selfish snotty Muslim? Of course they are trivial, but obnoxious none-the-less. I want to see you live your entire life with certain restrictions based on your ethnicity then tell you to shut up because there's other important issues besides your ethnicity. There are more important issues out there, but those issues are not being suppressed because gay people are stalling everyone demanding equal rights, but because the conservatives aren't allowing gay people their equal rights so that we can all move forward.

You're a stupid asshole. If you keep supporting the same people like Hillary, Obama and all the rest of those criminals you're gonna get a never-ending war with Israel's enemies like you have now. If you vote for Ron Paul you'll have peace and legalized drugs. So if two guys having butt sex in the form of a federal government recognized institution rather than a personal relationship is that important to you, maybe you should get the hell out of my country or kill yourself so you won't make it worse for everyone else.

Look up what Ron Paul is about. I don't think he's even for federally recognized straight marriages, you need to stop looking at government like a needed parental figure & start learning about real history. All a strong centralized federal government is capable of is false flag terorism, political assassinations, creating poverty and wars and benefiting the global corporations and private banks. These are real issues, not your little cocky, empted minded nonsense.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby I think that Obama, Hillary, and Guiliani are all decent choices, especially comparitively to what we have now. They all seem to talk with an honest conviction to themselves, and that to me is a powerful depiction of a person's leadership capabilities.

Uhhh.... you've got to be fucking kidding me.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by Infinite84 You're a stupid asshole. If you keep supporting the same people like Hillary, Obama and all the rest of those criminals you're gonna get a never-ending war with Israel's enemies like you have now. If you vote for Ron Paul you'll have peace and legalized drugs. So if two guys having butt sex in the form of a federal government recognized institution rather than a personal relationship is that important to you, maybe you should get the hell out of my country or kill yourself so you won't make it worse for everyone else. Look up what Ron Paul is about. I don't think he's even for federally recognized straight marriages, you need to stop looking at government like a needed parental figure & start learning about real history. All a strong centralized federal government is capable of is false flag terorism, political assassinations, creating poverty and wars and benefiting the global corporations and private banks. These are real issues, not your little cocky, empted minded nonsense.

Well said.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I can't believe you're obsessing over your right to marriage/civil union, whatever term you prefer, when the constitution is being ripped to shreds and the republic is falling apart.

His concerns are extremely valid.

It means your good apple has a rotten core...

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Uhhh.... you've got to be fucking kidding me.

Hmm.. it's how I feel at this moment, having seen what I've seen from those three individuals. :Shrug:

Like I said... I'll have to wait for the debates, but honestly, it's just time for the pendulum to begin again its swing.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby His concerns are extremely valid. It means your good apple has a rotten core...

More valid than restoring the constitution?

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z More valid than restoring the constitution?

Don't settle man. That's why things are the way they are in the world.

We really shorthand ourselves, by accepting less than the absolute best.

I guess we'll have to build up to the point where people as a collective have the confidence to demand the quality that is both certainly possible and immediately plausible if the atmosphere were a little less foggy.

I'd like to see a run of Clinton and Obama, though they both have different weak and strong points. Part of me thinks Clinton would take not tolerate any nonsense off anyone in the world.

GOP? I couldn't care less, as long as they lose.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike Social outcasts are often of the opinion that they must have a drink before being able to loosen up with their inhibitions, thus being able to have a good time. There's a word that sums up this sort of behaviour, and that word is 'reject.'