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Originally posted by DigiNut Honestly, how the fuck can you claim to know how easy it is to learn something "inside out" when you haven't even learned 10% of what it can do, or even the basic concepts behind it what it does? You really need to learn how to keep your mouth shut. I can only assume you take out your frustration on the internet because you always get the shit kicked out of you face-to-face.

****.

vanguard has everything linked up through a gui. u cant see whats going on, so how is your dumb ass supposed learn the workings and move onto a decent synth u can progam on your own, instead of using presets on an interface. pish.

news flash: you can program vanguard. news flash: "decent" synths (?) come with presets too.

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its all automated shit like the trance gate.

its like multiple choice. choose from all the options and it does the rest. other synths arent as preset like this

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Originally posted by jey at first i used fl but found it dull ! reason 2.5 i loved but because u cant use vst's in it moved to cubase sx an have never looked back... to be honest i found fl hard to find my way round but found reason and cubase very easy !!

Haha!! I found the exact opposite... weird. I thought reason was extremely complicated this first few times I started using it. Though, to be fair, I didn't quite understand MIDI basics at the time, so I really had no effin clue what was going on or how to produce sounds. With FL, I just had to open a few channels and start clicking around, and boom, I had a very pathetic repeating song - but I actually had something, unlike my attempts with reason.

I have yet to try out cubase, but hopefully with some of the knowledge I've gained, I'll be able to transition easily.

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Originally posted by rubez its all automated shit like the trance gate. its like multiple choice. choose from all the options and it does the rest. other synths arent as preset like this

And lastly... rubez, just make things simple and remember the phrase:

To each his own.

No need to rock the boat, especially if you're making broad generalizations.

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Originally posted by rubez ****. vanguard has everything linked up through a gui. u cant see whats going on, so how is your dumb ass supposed learn the workings and move onto a decent synth u can progam on your own, instead of using presets on an interface. pish.

Your not making sense.

The fact it has a GUI helps you learn whats going on. The whole point of a good synth is to have all controls available on the front of a synth not hidden behind menus. Thats why analogue style interfaces are so popular. My basstation has only a few controls and rips the fuk outta most vsti around. TB303 is absolute solid gold classic. Some of Moogs too like the Source or Rougue as simple but effective beasts.

The keys to using Vanguard is the range of options available in the OSC section. As it carries a far wider selection of OSc's than most synths.

And the fact it has a gate bothers you? What about the arp then as most synths have these?

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Originally posted by rubez its all automated shit like the trance gate. its like multiple choice. choose from all the options and it does the rest. other synths arent as preset like this

Extra features you can bypass do not limit the possibilities. Some very effective synths are very simple to use and have few controls, as FJ states.

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it bothers me that u can load vanguard up, press play on your sequencer and u almost get a full on ready made synth.

everything else ive used u need to manipulate it a lot more to get decent results and at least u can actually see the waveform shape so it gives u a better understanding of the whole thing

Vanguard was designed for use by ppl making dance music and tbh trance and hard dance. So obviously the presets were all made to be suitable

I wouldnt really use it as a main synth but I like to layer it with another synth for leads and stuff. Although I made an awesome 303 that sounded alot like the one in DJ Misjah & DJ Tim - Access

Can make some good psy noises too!

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ascess is bangin.

i dont like the new school sounds of vanguard synths. too clean

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[i][b]DJ Misjah & DJ Tim - Access

Love that track. We blew out the monitors in the DJ booth one time with this track. Oops!

you only think vanguard is easiest because it comes with vengeance patches by default, i think virus are the only other synth to have manuel programming patchings for their default banks.. if you had some vengeance banks for other synths you would realise it's that easy to get a 'full on ready synth' with any synth even vsti, getting an original sound on the hand.. difficult.

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