|
| quote: | NSA Berbalist
You're right there, both sides need leaders to step forward and work this shit out w/o death destaruction, and all that other fun video game shit. Pease |
I love this. You can see those who are pro-Palestinian by this simple fact the think; "Throw everything away, lets make a blank state starting now". This would be good, the problem is you need to start the thing every day, no wait, ever hour, no wait, every minute, because the Palestinians can't commit.
Israel's leadership to try and find a solution to this problem: Rabin, Peres, Netenyahu, Barak, Sharon.... (yet to be annouced)
Palestinians leadership to try and find a solution to this problem:
Arafat
Hmm, maybe we can differ the equation by replacing Arafat eh?
| quote: | failsafe
The palistinians have had their land taken. That isn't disputed one bit. What once was theirs, was given away, albiet by the UN. What do you think would happen if the UN gifted detriot to canada. |
I think many would dispute this. Firstly it was not 'Palestinian' land. It belonged to the Turks, and the British took it over. It's called WWI. The Palestinian are not a people (think about it for a sec) and they were never a nation.
What do you think would happen if the British divided North America into two, and one part fought to try and take over the other part (Canada), but the Canadains defended themselves, and latter both became independent democracies?
| quote: | | cwebAs I said before there need to be two free States with hard frontieres. But Im glad that most people here realise that there are two sides and not just one. |
I think everyone here agrees this is the solution, I do and I support Sharon's actions fully. This does not mean I do not believe in a two state solution... I just believe differently in how this should be achieved.
| quote: | cwebc
One thing I hate to read is that Sharon or Bush or whoever tell Arafat to stop the terrorists but the israeli army destroyed the police station, etc. How moronic is that statement. Oh and i honestly dont believe every "proof" a government give me. |
You know the definition of a hypocrite right? (hypocrite: The man who murdered his parents, and then pleaded for mercy on the grounds that he was an orphan)
This would be the same in this situation, the Palestinians saying they can't stop terrorism because they have no police stations. But they had the police stations, and didn't stop it then, thats why they don't have them now.
For this reason however Israel understands that they only expect 100% effort from the Palestinians, and just some resonable livale results.
An interesting card the Israelis are using in this round of diplomacy. If you listen to the news you would pay attention to this, Israel wants an end to terror (end to Arafat or a crack down finally on his part). Arafat wants an end to Israeli Occupation (or an end to Israel).
So Powell goes to the Israelis and says, "Look we need you to withdraw from the West Bank". But the Israelis will say, "Not until the Palestinians don't commit crack down on terror" (now the Israelis here have a good reason not to believe any commitment if it were to happen, but this hasn't even happened.. so we will spare those arguments for a latter date).
So Powell says "Look they will only commit to crack down on terror if you leave the West Bank". So the Israelis say "Look, we can prove we can commit when we want to, we've left some towns now, and we can leave all the towns when we desire, prove to us the Arafat can do the same".
So Powell goes to Arafat and tells him that, and Arafat will say "Look we can't do anything because Israel is in the West Bank". So Powell goes and relays that message to Israel. And Israel says, "Who said anything about the west bank?? Prove to us that he can do it in Gaza. We have left that place alone, the infrastruture their is intact, he has the ability, if he is serious he will crack down on terror".
And then Powell comes to Arafat and tells him this. And Arafat is stuck, he has to crack down on the infrastructure in Gaza to prove his commitment, but I am sure they will find some excuse for not doing this.. they always do. Just wait and see.
Anyway Astroboy sums it up pretty good (amazing from a country with biased-press):
| quote: | astroboy:
You should read the thread before making such statements.
Every other country refuses to negotiate with terrorists or meet their demands as this would open the floodgates, sending out the message that these tactics are effective. Terrorists attacks would rise exponentially with each demand met. If other countries are worried enough about this potential to institute such policies, then Israel should be particularly worried. |
This is the fact. We know this;
Arafat is a terrorist (you know it, all of Europe knows it, and every single Arab knows it [they might not say so, but they know it]).
Terrorist are not to be negotaited with (Bush Doctorine).
So it is clear cut, get rid of Arafat.
What is the catch? Arafat repersents the Palestinian people and a political desire, the problem that Arafat is the terrorist and the politician.
We know a solution to the Palestinian problem can only come through politics, not terrorism. Solution:
Rid the Palestinians of terrorism (Arafat).
Talk politics with a politician and not a terrorist (replace Arafat).
Only after these measures are taken can something happen.
Any for all those who think they know the truth since they heard about the stories on the TV. First consider the following: Don't pay to much attention to the 'news', this is easily manipulated and often downplays one end or up-plays another. Listen to the 'opt-eds'. Make sure you witness both sides, the Israelis and Palestinian perspectives. See what the Israelis say for tough questions, see what the Palestinians say. Now after understanding the view points of both sides (giving them equal time in consideration, although surely by this point they will not be morally equivilant in your mind) listen to the news.
Yoepus
If at first you don't succeed, give up. No use being a damn fool.
|
you guys havent been reading the other threads
Yeah the palis had their police stations back in ... but my problem is that those "democratic" leaders CONTINUE to tell Arafat to stop these attacks. But at this very moment he has almost no instrument to do so...that is the moronic part. 
