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Originally posted by igottaknow well you missed greenie's post

Shut up IGK.

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Originally posted by jennypie Shut up IGK.

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Originally posted by igottaknow moran

Eedeeyot.

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Originally posted by chach you cant quote yourself h4x

sure you can

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Originally posted by fitom tiel sure you can

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Originally posted by DJFreaq wtf Ygrene is energy backwards

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Originally posted by tranceDJ This is true however when say for example you are in a relationship with someone who's maturity is similar to your own. However on the other hand, the issue of maturity comes to the forefront if you're in a relationship with someone who is much more immature (doesn't mean that they're younger). I agree with what you first said in that if one is a mature rational person and they are constantly around an immature, irrational person, they will be constantly frustrated by the things they see the irrational, immature person do. Then again if you put two immature people together even if they're doing the same kind of irrational things it seems normal because they're acts they both commit.

That's why I don't feel this word should be used in that sense: They're only immature when you're judging them against yourself - such must be the case, because they certainly won't see each other as being immature (or, even worse, they might see themselves as being mature and the other as immature).

Linking immaturity to irrationality doesn't work quite well either, because you can be immature by over-rationalising a situation. I don't know whether I was able to make my point clear...

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Exactly. Which is why Pjotr G hit the nail on the head.

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Originally posted by jennypie ^^^ Exactly. Which is why Pjotr G hit the nail on the head.

So then it's impossible for a responsible person to be immature at times?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On So then it's impossible for a responsible person to be immature at times?

No. Being accountable doesn't always mean you're being "responsible".

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Originally posted by jennypie ^^^ Exactly. Which is why Pjotr G hit the nail on the head.

Wait, I must've misunderstood him then, because I don't think a responsible person is necessarily mature

I did overlook something in his reasoning then, didn't I?

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Originally posted by Lira Wait, I must've misunderstood him then, because I don't think a responsible person is necessarily mature I did overlook something in his reasoning then, didn't I?

I dunno. The way I interpreted it was that he was talking about accountability. Being able to take responsibility for your own actions, yes? I think that's real maturity...because it covers everything, and doesn't always mean that you're acting "grown up", or whatever...and it's not subjective.

But the term accountability lends itself to a social comparative - you are being "held accountable" for your actions, whether you would like to take responsibility or not. Granted, when people are in a serious situation where they are held accountable by a greater authority, it tends to straighten them out quickly, but people very rarely change their habits unless there is an internal incentive to do so - I think that this internal factor, which eventually flourishes into what I could consider a very "mature" state of self awareness is the true cause and state of maturity, not simply being put into a situation by an external authority.

Of course it's totally situational, and on an interpersonal level, some people never actually reach a state of "maturity" in this respect, but I think that human beings, as individuals, should be held to a much higher personal standard than mere social comparative.

edit: Sorry, but this seems to be degrading into a semantical battle I'd much rather not get into. :x

I think I probably agree with what you are saying though, Jenny.

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